10 Reasons why I feel the Hare Krishnas are a Cult

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These points can be applied to any cult/form of mind control. I would be curious to hear how this ‘movement’ was really instigated. I would not be surprised it has come from the same old kosher connection. Positioning an Eastern guru in New York in the 60’s. 

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1/. Disengaged

Soon as possible they try to get members switched off from worldly events. Because it’s just the time of Kali – all you have to do is put your full focus on Krishna. Ignore politics, ignore local and global events. Just stick with the HKs.

I can fully appreciate we are indeed in times of Kali (quarrel and pollution), and I’m all for us having a Divine connection. But like everything, the message gets subverted, so followers become disengaged with social issues. This is unhealthy, both personally and socially. True spiritual practice means we embrace spiritual maturity – to become engaged in worldly events. To stand up to evil and darkness as our spiritual opportunity. This is all about serving others – others who are suffering in our world.

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2/. Isolation

Sooner or later they will encourage members/devotees to disassociate with ‘outsiders’. As they are polluted by Maya (llusion/matter/materialism). This should ring alarm bells with anyone in their right mind. This is not normal behaviour – this is cult behaviour. Classic divide and rule. This is a sure-track way of eroding critical thinking; therefore ensuring mind control.

Again, their ‘hook’ about avoiding materialism is justified, but of course the spiritual message gets polluted.

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3/. Sleep deprivation

Sleep and sufficient amounts of it is healthy! All cultures know this. When we are not having sufficient amounts of sleep, we do not think straight. How can we? Therefore we become vulnerable/successtable to even more mind control.

I agree, when we clean up, and are more spiritually connected, we certainly do have more energy. But it is so individually based; we are not organic robots.

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4/. Insulated information

One of their most powerful ways to induce the more intellectual type thinkers via the Vedic philosophy. The Vedic scriptures and especially the Bhagavad-Gita are an amazing spiritual and pragmatic wealth of knowledge. Yet the HKs don’t accept any other version other than their own “As it is” version of the B’Gita. Not only have they adapted the B’Gita. This is like going to a Truth meeting and the organizers telling you “Do not listen to any other information other than what we are telling you and only absorb our material.”

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5/. Austerity & Charity

Funny how all these cults and some religions don’t want you to have your own money, because it’s so evil – yet they want it. Somehow they can sure make use of it. They HKs say in their writing that 50% of devotee’s wages should go to them. Who in God’s or Krishna’s name can afford that level of tithing in these recessional times!?

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6/. Association

They associate themselves with the Brahma Kamaris group. An equally dodgy organisation/cult. I have known people screwed up after a while who have associated themselves with them. They too work on all these 10 principles.

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7/. No Nooky

Sex and pleasurable sex between two loving people is a very natural aspect of humanity. They advocate no sex policy, under the guise of no elicit sex. But somehow allow their members to have sex to ‘breed’ where the offspring are then taken away to be ‘educated’ to become pure cult members. To deprive people of this natural instinct is all part of their de-humanizing mind control.  All part of their depopulation plan – SOFT EUGENICS (soft kill). Their sexual act is a cold mechanical operation, where they engage for about a minute, whilst the female chants 🙂 ….I’m not joking.

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8/. Hooks

We all smell something is very wrong in society. And we feel vulnerable, trapped. So hey presto; problem-reaction-solution. Here comes the Hare Krishnas with a convenient solution to this materialistic mess. They not only offer a way out; but lots of smiles, yummy grub with a bit of music and dancing thrown in.

Not to mention their hypnotic mantra which gives you a nice ‘loved up’ feeling to act as pain killer against modern day living. This takes you away from the realities of this world; all under the guise of transcendental spirituality.

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9/. Positioning

They tend to position themselves in inner city locations, where there are lots of young influential people and/or drug and alcoholism dependent people. Inner cities are where people feel the heat of this screwed up system the most. These people need a way out. Escape materialistic society, escape religion – come and party with the HKs. This certainly is not the lotus in the mud principle, but just more cleverly disguised sugar-coated poison.

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10/. Fishing

They latch on to people who show a tad of enthusiasm. Like they want to catch a fish. It is unnatural and an inorganic way of welcoming people into any society/movement. Tempting you with ‘free’ books to mind control you. It’s such classic cult activity.

Just take a look at the long-term devotees, who have been involved in the HKs. I’m not talking about those front PR people you meet at their open days, but the hardened devotees who have really fallen for the whole conditioning process. For sure they are de-stressed and very nice; but they are completely pacified. Just like in Huxley’s “Brave New World” scenario. Happy pacified servants of the system.

I don’t see the HK up against the system. I just see them as an ad juncture. They are still playing into the usury system, with all their financial outlets. Just like the New Age movement scoops up any potential critical thinkers……along with their finances!

Who is this character A.C. Brabhupada? Apparently turning up in America from India in his 70’s penniless; yet within 14 years he alone somehow managed to set up hundreds of global ashrams and centers, as well provide a huge amount of literature, all worth billions – all starting from a small shop in East New York? A linage of Krishna, or the kosher elite tool??

The connection to the Beetles, with their message pushed out into the main stream consciousness/psyche is a bit suspect too. The Beetles were a kosher social engineering outlet.

Nope – the whole set up stinks of another coincidence.

One thing I have learnt in this Truthing business is that nothing is allowed to get funded to a high position from grass roots level; unless it has been first instigated by them, or it is been usurped – nothing.

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Summary

1/. Disengaged

2/. Isolation

3/. Sleep deprivation

4/. Insulated information

5/. Austerity & Charity

6/. Association

7/. No Nooky

8/. Hooks

9/. Positioning

10/. Fishing

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Related info

http://harekrishnacultexposed.blogspot.co.uk/

http://bkwatchers.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/brahma-kumaris-exposed/

Scientology cult

http://www.xenu.net/

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  1. 1bigcree Shadowhawk

     /  March 16, 2013

    The Cult phenomenon is nothing new and runs the full spectrum from church to state. ‘They’ will always come all wrapped in a nice looking ‘package’ and sweetened with one form of bait or another only to sap one’s essence as well as their pocketbook. Leaving nothing to chance. Scientology, Jehovah’s Witnesses, the LDS, Hare Krishnas, ‘Christian Zionists etc.

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  2. DareDevil324

     /  May 30, 2013

    Hi Digger,

    I stumbled upon your blog as I was searching for Hare Krishna related material. I myself am a Hare Krishna, born and raised in the movement. After reading this blog, I feel like you are simply looking at the Hare Krishna’s in a conspiratorial way. If you were to start from an unassuming stage, the ten points you have mentioned, would look something more like this:

    1. Disengaged

    We recognize that when earnestly trying to follow any spiritual path, you must be in the association of others who are doing the same, as it will help you progress much easier. This way you are not swimming against the current. The world today is very materialistic, and so when it is easier to keep the mind spiritually inclined, if you are not engaging in worldy affairs all the time. This doesn’t mean one can’t be a part of the world at all…I am an accountant working for a Fortune 500 company…We simply advise that it gets harder and harder to practice spirituality, the more you involve yourself in materiality. When in comes to charity, Hare Krishna’s are one of the most charitable organizations, but we feel like politics is a little bit of a lost cause.

    2. Isolation

    Pretty similar to disengagement. If I wanted to become a surgeon, I would try and associate with surgeons, read books on surgery, take classes on surgery, pretty much do what ever I could to become a surgeon, yet following the same practice in spiritual life is cultish?…It’s pretty simple. I have seen members of this movement who have been practicing for 40 plus years, and their progress in spiritual life is absolutely admirable. So if I want to progress in spiritual life, why would I not want to hang out with people who have done or are doing the same.

    3. Sleep Deprivation

    It is scientifically proven that an hour of sleep before midnight is compared to getting 2 hours of sleep after midnight. Our daily services start at 4:30 in the morning, so if you go to bed by 9 or 10, I think 6-7 hours is plenty of sleep. Since I work from 7am-4pm, I usually do not go for the 4:30 service, except for important days, but even then I think sleep deprivation is everywhere in the US.

    4. Insulated information

    This one is quite simple as well. There are many versions of the Bhagavad Gita out there, but how many are written by a person in a bonafide disciplic succession coming from Lord Krishna. Not many…This is why we stress a person to read Bhagavad Gita As It Is, because it is just that…It is exactly what Lord Krishna said because his message was passed down from person to person in an unbroken chain all the way to Srila Prabhupada. You can definitely read other versions if you like, but obviously if you want to practice the way Srila Prabhupada recommended, then you should read his books…

    5. Austerity & Charity

    So the 50% rule is not really enforced at all. I don’t even think it is a rule…It was simply a suggestion…I am definitely not following that rule, but one day I wish I could, because I want my money to be invested in something which I believe and not in commercialism…Some of our members give maybe 10%, most not even that…Money is simply one way to engage in the service of God, and we feel like it is not the best way since money isn’t very personal. To develop a relationship with God, personal service is much better.

    6. Association

    Well I had to google the Brahma Kumaris…Shows how much I am associating with them…Looks like somethings agree with our philosophy, but we definitely do no consider Shiva as the Supreme Lord. We are also against attaining enlightenment through silent meditation to achieve some light…We are all about serving Lord Krishna and his associates through 9 processes of devotional service recommended in our scriptures so we can develop a loving relationship with Him.

    7. No Nooky

    We have 4 regulative principles which, if followed, will make spiritual progress much easier. The 4 regs are no eating meat, fish or eggs, no gambling, no intoxications like illegal substances or even cigarettes or alcohol, and finally no illicit sex. The last basically has a number of different levels which practitioners follow at. The highest level one can follow at is where you only have sex with your wife for children. The next levels would be you only have sex with your wife once a month, once a week…whatever you can manage without putting to much strain on your relationship. We are a practical bunch, and realize that in todays world which is full of sexual imagery, it is not easy to restrain yourself. However, spiritual bliss is much more satisfying than sexual bliss, and therefore it is recommended to shoot for that instead. Also, according to Ayurveda, your sexual energy is like your life force(spiritual energy), the more you use it, the weaker your life force becomes.

    8. Hooks

    I am not sure if your comment was a compliment or a put-down…If this process does help you alleviate the stresses of the material world, isn’t that a good thing?…I mean our whole thing is that this is the material world, and we belong in the spiritual world, so all the things we do help one get a taste of the spiritual world. Smiles are due to people generally being happy, which I would hope is a good thing…Everybody loves to dance and so do we! And music is a great way to be help the mind meditate on God. The mantra was given in our scriptures and is said to be the word form of God. Since God is spiritual, the mantra is spiritual as well and gives one a spiritual experience. It actually helps you realize the reality of this world, which is that it is temporary and since souls are eternal, this is not our eternal home.

    9. Positioning

    Hare Krishna’s have never really had a lot of money, so inner city location are usually pretty cheap. Since many of the temples were started awhile ago, when we were especially poor, the location have stayed till now and are still in the inner city. However, we do have quite a few temples which are in more or a rural location, because we also believe farming and being self-sustainable is a good thing. We have locations in residential neighborhoods as well…Its really a mix…If you were to visit more temples, you’d be able to see that for yourself…Regarding the lotus in the mud comment, I am not so sure its such a bad thing to be able to help addicts stay away from their addiction…Rehab centers do it all the time, are they now a cult as well?…

    10. Fishing

    First of all, we do not like to force our philosophy on people. We find it not healthy for both the movement and the person, so obviously we will give it to people who seem interested…The books are hardly free because we ask for donations to cover printing costs and to help fund the movement, but in no way is it mind control…Quite a few people have come and gone…So when did being a happy de-stressed person become a bad thing…First you were saying we were sleep deprived, and now we are also happy and de-stressed…you are not being very consistent with your criticisms. The people are happy because they found that the process is satisfying, unlike the material world where everything gives you a little happiness initially but that comes with a follow up of sadness and frustration due to the happiness being so temporary…A.C Bhaktivendanta Swami, also known as Srila Prabhupada, was a disciple of Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami. The instruction he received from his Guru was to bring this message from India to the West. And so he did by establishing the Hare Krishna Movement in the West, also known as ISKCON. We were able to grow so quickly due to our sincere efforts and well thought out spiritual practice which helped people realize that there was more to life than this material world. ISKCON is now a world recognized religion. Even though technically it has only been around for 50 years, the philosophy has been around since Lord Krishna, it was just not being preached as widely as it is now being preached. Being a member for 25 years, I truly have an idea of what ISKCON is and isn’t. We had many issues in our pioneering days in the US, but we are working through it sincerely. We hope to be able to provide a place for the world to go and see what spiritual life is and practice it with others.

    Thank you and Hare Krishna!

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    • Hi Digger, Hi DD,

      I stumbled upon your blog as I was searching for Hare Krishna related material. I myself am a Hare Krishna, born and raised in the movement. After reading this blog, I feel like you are simply looking at the Hare Krishna’s in a conspiratorial way. If you were to start from an unassuming stage, the ten points you have mentioned, would look something more like this:

      Firstly thank you for being so respectful in your response. I always welcome people challenging my views, providing they are able to present their arguments in an intelligent and respectful manner as you have shown here.

      As far as conspiracies – yes there are conspiracy ‘theories’. But, we do not deal in these, we only deal in conspiracy FACTS. Provable substantiated FACTS.

      I will do my best to try to answer you valid points – I am quite shattered after work and I have to rush these answers somewhat as I’m going to be thrown out of this cafe soon as it’s closing :-). If my replies are not sufficient, please feel free to contact me either via this post or by e-mail and we can try and help each other. I will be direct, assertive and truthful, but not disrespectful towards you in any way, even if my answers may appear sharp.
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      1. Disengaged

      We recognize that when earnestly trying to follow any spiritual path, you must be in the association of others who are doing the same, as it will help you progress much easier. This way you are not swimming against the current. The world today is very materialistic, and so when it is easier to keep the mind spiritually inclined, if you are not engaging in worldly affairs all the time. This doesn’t mean one can’t be a part of the world at all…I am an accountant working for a Fortune 500 company…We simply advise that it gets harder and harder to practice spirituality, the more you involve yourself in materiality. When in comes to charity, Hare Krishna’s are one of the most charitable organizations, but we feel like politics is a little bit of a lost cause.

      Yes, valid point DD, this world is drastically materialistic. As Jesus said “We can serve mammon or God”. However, what I have experienced with people involved in HK, is a total detachment from the world in many ways; or a mindset/goal towards this. The people I knew were completely wrapped up in HK, in every spare moment; all under the guise of ‘Good Association’. This is NOT healthy! One must engage in society and interact with all levels of society, no matter how polluted it now is.
      By the way, I understand you must survive in this world, but being an accountant means you are engaging directly in USURY (fiat money). This is diametrically opposed to spirituality. I admit it is near on impossible to avoid usury these days, even if one tries to go off grid. Please learn about ‘usury’ and what it entails. I’m not being aggressive towards you, merely informing you of this serious element in finance.

      https://diggerfortruth.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/10-reasons-why-usury-should-be-banned-from-society/

      2. Isolation

      Pretty similar to disengagement. If I wanted to become a surgeon, I would try and associate with surgeons, read books on surgery, take classes on surgery, pretty much do what ever I could to become a surgeon, yet following the same practice in spiritual life is cultish?…It’s pretty simple. I have seen members of this movement who have been practicing for 40 plus years, and their progress in spiritual life is absolutely admirable. So if I want to progress in spiritual life, why would I not want to hang out with people who have done or are doing the same.
      Why? – Similar answer as above my brother/sister. It is dangerous! I feel your analogy is not applicable, IF it is to the exclusion of interaction with society and being tuned into one’s environment and mindful of serious issues effecting our lives. It disturbed me greatly to see both the Bramha Kamaris and HK deliberately not interested in social issues. This fits in neatly with what a kosher big brother would want. Just do your 108 mantra beads and everything will be just dandy. This is lethal. P-l-e-a-s-e my friend understand I am not being nasty or disrespectful towards you or Krishna’s teachings. I am merely trying to warn you what happens with this isolation. Please invest the time to read the eminent authors on the JEWISH NEW WORLD ORDER. Please read ‘The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion’ and please read ‘The Babylonian Talmud’.
      http://iamthewitness.com/Protocols-in-Modern-English.htm

      3. Sleep Deprivation

      It is scientifically proven that an hour of sleep before midnight is compared to getting 2 hours of sleep after midnight. Our daily services start at 4:30 in the morning, so if you go to bed by 9 or 10, I think 6-7 hours is plenty of sleep. Since I work from 7am-4pm, I usually do not go for the 4:30 service, except for important days, but even then I think sleep deprivation is everywhere in the US.
      You provide another sound answer. However all my points are made from my experience with people I know who were almost spaced out, due to sleep deprivation and feeling guilty if they had a lie in and bent the rules so to speak. Sleep deprivation is a classic mind control technique. I’m not sure if you are aware of MK Ultra. This is no conspiracy theory. It’s a damaging accumulative effect and ensures people become more susceptible to persuasion.

      4. Insulated information

      This one is quite simple as well. There are many versions of the Bhagavad Gita out there, but how many are written by a person in a bonafide disciplic succession coming from Lord Krishna. Not many…This is why we stress a person to read Bhagavad Gita As It Is, because it is just that…It is exactly what Lord Krishna said because his message was passed down from person to person in an unbroken chain all the way to Srila Prabhupada. You can definitely read other versions if you like, but obviously if you want to practice the way Srila Prabhupada recommended, then you should read his books…
      Arhh – you see this is where we have believe coming in. How do you KNOW this version is bonafide disciple succession? Be honest, you don’t. I’m not being argumentative, just asking you to PROVE this. This is just information you have been provided again and again (conditioned to understand). This is not a fact. This is classic cultish behaviour. ALL the HK material were sourced from the same source, not from a broad range of comprehensive spiritual disciplines and outlooks. This is seriously unhealthy. You must be able to see this. As you mentioned if you were studying surgery you would have a comprehensive study range sourced from an eclectic range of scholars. Our material is the only information.
      This is what George Orwell warned us about – how information was constantly being upgraded/improvised/improved to suit big brother. This I would strongly suggest has happened through trickery. You have been deceived to believe you have the ‘latest improved version of the holy B’Gita.

      5. Austerity & Charity

      So the 50% rule is not really enforced at all. I don’t even think it is a rule…It was simply a suggestion…I am definitely not following that rule, but one day I wish I could, because I want my money to be invested in something which I believe and not in commercialism…Some of our members give maybe 10%, most not even that…Money is simply one way to engage in the service of God, and we feel like it is not the best way since money isn’t very personal. To develop a relationship with God, personal service is much better.
      Yes I agree (we can agree on something :-)), personal service is more important. I’m certainly not saying charity is wrong, but at the temples I have visited, there was a tacit agreement/subdued pressure to ‘cough up ££”. I found it quite distasteful. There was always an underlying pressure for members to keep giving towards ISKCON, so much so some more wised-up people were saying it indeed was a CON. Sorry, but this is what we felt and this is my Truth and perception of HKs.

      6. Association

      Well I had to google the Brahma Kumaris…Shows how much I am associating with them…Looks like somethings agree with our philosophy, but we definitely do no consider Shiva as the Supreme Lord. We are also against attaining enlightenment through silent meditation to achieve some light…We are all about serving Lord Krishna and his associates through 9 processes of devotional service recommended in our scriptures so we can develop a loving relationship with Him.
      Yes I respect the fact that there are differences in your techniques and beliefs; but there are strong ties between these two associations. Having seen people totally screwed up with the BKs, I find this troubling. The overall results I feel are the same.

      7. No Nooky

      We have 4 regulative principles which, if followed, will make spiritual progress much easier. The 4 regs are no eating meat, fish or eggs, no gambling, no intoxications like illegal substances or even cigarettes or alcohol, and finally no illicit sex. The last basically has a number of different levels which practitioners follow at. The highest level one can follow at is where you only have sex with your wife for children. The next levels would be you only have sex with your wife once a month, once a week…whatever you can manage without putting to much strain on your relationship. We are a practical bunch, and realize that in todays world which is full of sexual imagery, it is not easy to restrain yourself. However, spiritual bliss is much more satisfying than sexual bliss, and therefore it is recommended to shoot for that instead. Also, according to Ayurveda, your sexual energy is like your life force(spiritual energy), the more you use it, the weaker your life force becomes.
      I am aware of the four regular principles and also aware of the life force energy within semen. Also how society seeks pleasure through sex, when we are really seeking Krishna/God consciousness at a deeper level. However I am also aware of the eugenics programme by the Jewish criminal network, which is documented by the Jewish criminals themselves. Please see “The Protocols of learned Elders of Zion” and “Agenda 21” programme. These are NOT conspiracy theories! This is why it is essential to be grounded and knowledgeable in worldly events. As Gandhi was. He had two feet on the ground. One spiritual and one worldly.

      8. Hooks

      I am not sure if your comment was a compliment or a put-down…If this process does help you alleviate the stresses of the material world, isn’t that a good thing?…I mean our whole thing is that this is the material world, and we belong in the spiritual world, so all the things we do help one get a taste of the spiritual world. Smiles are due to people generally being happy, which I would hope is a good thing…Everybody loves to dance and so do we! And music is a great way to be help the mind meditate on God. The mantra was given in our scriptures and is said to be the word form of God. Since God is spiritual, the mantra is spiritual as well and gives one a spiritual experience. It actually helps you realize the reality of this world, which is that it is temporary and since souls are eternal, this is not our eternal home.
      Blessings to you dear brother/sister. Please understand, I know giving a bit of kindness and happiness is a wonderful thing, especially these days. But I still maintain it is not for altruistic reasons, there is a captive reason for it. It is also just a band aid anyway; not getting to the root causes. I’m not against genuine happiness and euphoric dancing, but it is what’s behind it that matters. Which I don’t feel we will agree on. Like giving candy to a child. It does not come across as authentic. It is frenzied trance-like dancing in my experience, not natural. I maintain it is all a charade to ‘hook’ vulnerable people into a cult. I’m sorry, but that is what I have experienced and my perception.

      9. Positioning

      Hare Krishna’s have never really had a lot of money, so inner city location are usually pretty cheap. Since many of the temples were started awhile ago, when we were especially poor, the location have stayed till now and are still in the inner city. However, we do have quite a few temples which are in more or a rural location, because we also believe farming and being self-sustainable is a good thing. We have locations in residential neighborhoods as well…Its really a mix…If you were to visit more temples, you’d be able to see that for yourself…Regarding the lotus in the mud comment, I am not so sure its such a bad thing to be able to help addicts stay away from their addiction…Rehab centers do it all the time, are they now a cult as well?…
      I disagree, the HK have been well funded. I would suggest deliberately beyond the donations. How you can say city locations are pretty cheap – are you kidding! I have visited many temples. Of course it’s not a bad thing to take people off drugs, but I feel it’s taking people out of one box, into another. Mind control into another form of mind control. Both serving the Jewish New World Order agenda. Keep people switched off to their agenda.

      10. Fishing

      First of all, we do not like to force our philosophy on people. We find it not healthy for both the movement and the person, so obviously we will give it to people who seem interested…The books are hardly free because we ask for donations to cover printing costs and to help fund the movement, but in no way is it mind control…Quite a few people have come and gone…So when did being a happy de-stressed person become a bad thing…First you were saying we were sleep deprived, and now we are also happy and de-stressed…you are not being very consistent with your criticisms. The people are happy because they found that the process is satisfying, unlike the material world where everything gives you a little happiness initially but that comes with a follow up of sadness and frustration due to the happiness being so temporary…A.C Bhaktivendanta Swami, also known as Srila Prabhupada, was a disciple of Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami. The instruction he received from his Guru was to bring this message from India to the West. And so he did by establishing the Hare Krishna Movement in the West, also known as ISKCON. We were able to grow so quickly due to our sincere efforts and well thought out spiritual practice which helped people realize that there was more to life than this material world. ISKCON is now a world recognized religion. Even though technically it has only been around for 50 years, the philosophy has been around since Lord Krishna, it was just not being preached as widely as it is now being preached. Being a member for 25 years, I truly have an idea of what ISKCON is and isn’t. We had many issues in our pioneering days in the US, but we are working through it sincerely. We hope to be able to provide a place for the world to go and see what spiritual life is and practice it with others.
      I’m sorry my friend I feel the HKs do like to subtly force their philosophy on people. Just look at the dancing enforced on people in Soho central London, stopping traffic and creating noise pollution imho. But your books are given out free often. Respectfully I would strongly suggest it is subtle mind control. Because people come and go does not mean it is not mind control. MC works on capturing ‘some’ people some of the time. Being distressed is not bad thing whatsoever of course not; but it’s how one de-stresses. If people are all ‘fluffed out’ and peaceful and care-free about the serious issues in the world, then this is seriously dangerous to them and society. Our SPIRITUAL duty in life is to serve others. Not ignore our brothers and sisters who are suffering, not being passive/neutral about global and local issues, just because we feel nice and de-stressed inside. This is EXACTLY the same dangerous narcissistic mindset as the ‘new -age’ movement. I’m all right jack attitude. Again this is exactly the mindset the Jewish elite want us in. Detached and selfish about the bigger issues in the world and ‘their’ depopulation New World Order agenda. This is diametrically opposite to what the B’Gita teaches us. There is not an inconsistency if you think about it, one can be in a tranced-like spaced-out happy mindset. This is what I observed. One can be de-stressed in a sleepy state. This is consistent. I disagree with how it was established, despite what you have been told (conditioned to believe). I respect the fact you have been in this movement for 25 years, but you are engrossed in the philosophy and certainly not able to look at this from an objective position, as with anyone in any cult. I am not trying to be antagonistic or hurtful to you. I am just being honest about my perception of HKs. You are also ignorant (without knowledge) about the bigger picture – about the Jewish agenda and the long-term planning of this judaic meme (please note I am not saying you are ignorant, just without knowledge on the Jewish agenda). It has weaved into EVERY aspect of our lives through deception. They are the kings of deception. And I am pointing out the HK is another artful deception. YOU MUST BECOME AWARE OF THE JEWISH NEW WORLD ORDER AGENDA for you to be worldly. This is your spiritual duty.

      Thank you and Hare Krishna!

      In conclusion

      I feel we cannot really resolve these subjective areas in a comments section such as this. In addition, I feel I will be up against your quarter of century bias, as you are deeply involved and not responding from an objective position. Just as I would be discussing Islam with someone devoted to Islam, as Christianity, as Hinduism, etc. It’s a tough one.

      I have met so many HK’s and not only were they totally unaware of the Jewish perfidy in this world and the destruction of the world due to judaism, but they were not even interested in ‘worldly’ affairs. To me this absolutely dangerous, and irresponsible. Gandhi was a great advocate of the B’Gita, he said it was his spiritual staff, yet he was totally grounded in worldly affairs. He was in the real world. He was very much aware of the Jewish hegemony and corresponded with Hitler in cordial terms, with full understanding of how the supremacist Jews were destroying Germany and demonizing his people. Yet I have met not one HK who could relate to what is going on. This is a serious situation my friend. I am strongly suggesting this is exactly what the HK movement was DESIGNED to do. To create apathy, complacency in what is going on on the world stage.

      I say all this without any aggression or antagonism to you. I say this in respect, with full respect to Krishna. I am not attacking you, but just the meme. Exactly as I am not attacking ‘Jews’, just the toxic meme/ideology/programming of Judaism.

      I urge you dear brother/sister, please devote some time to studying the issues created by this cult (judaism), and see how this fits in with Kali (iron age). The HK philosophy almost gets people into a state of ‘“It just is”‘. This is exactly what ‘they’ want.

      I so wish I could sit somewhere quietly and have a friendly one-to-one chat with you and run through these important issues :-).

      Thank you again for your respectful, intelligent correspondence.

      In kindness and respect

      Hare Krishna my friend

      Digger

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      • DareDevil324

         /  July 5, 2013

        Thank you for your reply Digger. It is nice to able to speak with someone who may have opposing views, but isn’t hostile at the same time. It really helps a person become more sincere. I feel like their are some views we will just never agree upon, so let us just leave those to a side. Overall, I can agree with quite a few points you’ve made, and those issues were apparent simply due to the the immaturity of the practitioners in the early years of the movement. Since this movement has only been around for 50 years in the west, we definitely have some growing pains to go through. If you have ever visited the Dallas Hare Krishna temple, I can guarantee you that you will not find a place of mind control, jewish control, lack of sleep, candy induced happiness, complete detachment from the world, and all that good stuff…You will find a community of devotees who all work in many different industries of the world, who are sober minded individuals, and are sincerely trying to practice spirituality and trying to develop a relationship with Krishna. The reason why I feel so impelled to reply to your blog is because I know how hard this community works to try and practice Krishna Consciousness, and I hate for their efforts to be thrown in the trash because some person feels like putting down their beliefs. Honestly, no good ever comes from trashing another’s beliefs, whether they be a Jew, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, etc…The proper way to bring about a good change in the world is to start with yourself and be the change you want to see in the world…Regarding helping people in the world and not renouncing the world. Srila Prabhupada said that spreading Krishna Consciousness is the greatest welfare work. Why you may ask? Developing a relationship with God automatically helps you become more loving and considerate to the world around you because it is God’s creation. You start to do things for others with no desire for anything in return, and that’s what the world needs the most right now. All the problems of the world stem from greed. Bhakti Yoga(the practice of Krishna Consciousness) is the practice of giving love through devotional service. There are unlimited issues with this world, and to try and fight them individually will take forever. We must go deeper and look at the root of all these issues, and if we address it at that level, the change will be that much greater. I am sorry if I offended you with anything I said, it was not my intention. Yes I may have a bias, but I have decided to practice Krishna Consciousness, and I do not ask you to do the same if you don’t want to. I simply ask that you let everyone choose their beliefs on their own and not slander other’s beliefs so they can agree with yours. If you noticed, I didn’t slander anyone’s beliefs, I simply defended my own because it was being attacked.

        Thank you and Hare Krishna!

      • Hi DD,

        Thank you for your reply Digger. It is nice to able to speak with someone who may have opposing views, but isn’t hostile at the same time. It really helps a person become more sincere. I feel like their are some views we will just never agree upon, so let us just leave those to a side. Overall, I can agree with quite a few points you’ve made, and those issues were apparent simply due to the the immaturity of the practitioners in the early years of the movement. Since this movement has only been around for 50 years in the west, we definitely have some growing pains to go through. If you have ever visited the Dallas Hare Krishna temple, I can guarantee you that you will not find a place of mind control, jewish control, lack of sleep, candy induced happiness, complete detachment from the world, and all that good stuff…You will find a community of devotees who all work in many different industries of the world, who are sober minded individuals, and are sincerely trying to practice spirituality and trying to develop a relationship with Krishna. The reason why I feel so impelled to reply to your blog is because I know how hard this community works to try and practice Krishna Consciousness, and I hate for their efforts to be thrown in the trash because some person feels like putting down their beliefs. Honestly, no good ever comes from trashing another’s beliefs, whether they be a Jew, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, etc…The proper way to bring about a good change in the world is to start with yourself and be the change you want to see in the world…Regarding helping people in the world and not renouncing the world.
        Yes I am well aware of Gandhi’s oft used term “Be the change you want to see in the world”. But any strong movement which apparently is backed up by God, surely can take criticism from a little ol blogger like me. If you are in a strong position – backed up by the almighty, any criticism will only strengthen your position.

        Respectfully I have to disagree with you on trashing areas. It is because we do not trash enough things in life, we allow negative things in life to fester. I strongly believe the HKs to be a damaging cult, destructive to society, so I have an obligation and duty to express my opinions. This is not against you, or even the good-hearted devotees; it is about the system. Like I’m not against Jews as such, but against the meme of judaism for the damage and destruction it has caused throughout history.

        Srila Prabhupada said that spreading Krishna Consciousness is the greatest welfare work. Why you may ask? Developing a relationship with God automatically helps you become more loving and considerate to the world around you because it is God’s creation. You start to do things for others with no desire for anything in return, and that’s what the world needs the most right now. All the problems of the world stem from greed.
        One certainly does not have to believe in God to be a good person. The God concept is subject. One does not need to believe in a higher creator to be altruistic at all. Respectfully although I acknowledge greed is a huge factor in all our mess, I also feel there are other strong areas. I feel fear-based insecurity and separatism are at the root of it all, and selfishness is behind greed. It is a combination of many things.
        https://diggerfortruth.wordpress.com/2013/05/01/the-fbi/

        Bhakti Yoga (the practice of Krishna Consciousness) is the practice of giving love through devotional service. There are unlimited issues with this world, and to try and fight them individually will take forever. We must go deeper and look at the root of all these issues, and if we address it at that level, the change will be that much greater. I am sorry if I offended you with anything I said, it was not my intention. Yes I may have a bias, but I have decided to practice Krishna Consciousness, and I do not ask you to do the same if you don’t want to. I simply ask that you let everyone choose their beliefs on their own and not slander other’s beliefs so they can agree with yours. If you noticed, I didn’t slander anyone’s beliefs, I simply defended my own because it was being attacked.
        No DD you have not offended me at all, you were very respectful. I hope I have not offended you. I have to express these views, because I am all about fighting evil and I’m sorry I find the concept of HKs is very evil. Just look at the plethora of reviews and personal anecdotes of people’s lives destroyed by this destructive mind-control cult. I am saddened you can’t see it (cognitive dissonance).

        To repeat myself, I am not attacking you, but the HK movement. I know you are deeply connected to it, but this is just attachment and false identity. You are not a HK, you are a beautiful soul – that’s the message of the Gita.

        My main gripe I have with the HK is it’s claim to the Vedic knowledge. I say they are freeloading off of this ancient script and just perverting the real message of the Gita.

        But as you say, we will never agree on this. I hope one day soon you will see through this scam and have an opportunity from an objective position to see it as nothing more than another mind-control cult. Get out now DD and truly live your life.

        In kindness

        Digger

        Thank you and Hare Krishna!

      • Hare Krishna (not DD)

         /  November 24, 2013

        Hello Digger for Truth,

        I came across your blog post, also, as I was searching for Hare Krishna material. I, too (like DareDevil324) am a Hare Krishna devotee and would like to share my own thoughts on this topic. I would appreciate your thoughtful consideration. (I do not know DD personally.)

        Unlike DD I was *not* born and raised in the movement (although I did come from an Indian Vaishnava Hindu family, so in terms of core beliefs it really wasn’t too much of a change) so my experience and perspective may be somewhat different than DD’s. That said, as Hare Krishna devotees we may be in agreement in several areas. I’ll try not to repeat too much of what DD said, and add my own points/thoughts to this discussion.

        This may get rather long, so I’ll post each point separately.

      • Hare Krishna (not DD)

         /  November 24, 2013

        1. Disengaged

        To clarify: The Vedic literatures (which include the four Vedas as well as related texts, such as the Puranas, Itihasas, and of course the Bhagavad Gita – accepted as scripture by Hare Krishnas as well as Hindus) teach that devotees SHOULD not only engage in society, but be an integral part of it, and even leaders within it. After all, spiritually advanced devotees would naturally be best qualified to serve in these roles (in morally, ethically, and spiritually sound ways) and eager to uplift society from the various positions in which they serve.

        Hare Krishna devotees definitely aim to be a part of society, in a variety of roles. As an example, I’m a computer scientist by profession, and amongst the devotees at the nearest Hare Krishna temple (excluding students and divinity graduates) are: several research scientists, several school teachers, medical doctors, computer scientists, graphic designers, engineers, chefs, an architect, a pharmacist, a VP at a finance company, and several entrepreneurs. A pretty diverse group. 🙂 Most of us love our jobs and we *do* have “real world” interests.

        That said, we’re realistic about how the world operates: as DD mentioned, it’s materialistic! Our relationship with Krishna/God is most important, but society (due to materialistic inclinations of the majority of the people in it) is set up to have so many distractions away from that. So, we definitely try ourselves (and encourage each other) to be “IN this world, but not OF this world” – and, while definitely part of society, not too distracted by the temptations in it, so as not to lose focus on our primary duty of serving God.

        How (dis)engaged are we, or should we be? That is largely up to the individual, to figure out what is best for him/her. Some people spiritually thrive even with much societal interaction, while others are at risk of falling to bad temptations and would do best in a more sheltered and spiritually focused interaction. The Hare Krishna devotees/movement (and the scriptures) make NO mandate on how involved (or not) someone should be in society, but leave it up to you.
        For those who DO prefer a way of life in which they are totally focused on Hare Krishna activities and really trying to be otherwise totally detached from this world, I don’t really see that as a problem, as that may be how they thrive. If they ARE focused on God, then at least (hopefully) they’re NOT focusing on nonsense or being a disturbance in society. 🙂

        But those who do so aren’t pressured by the “system” to do it; it’s their choice. I feel no such compulsion myself, and I DO dedicate plenty of my time to various pursuits, not all of which are directly related to my faith. And I’m definitely not alone. That said, I am aware that it is important for me to not lose myself in materialistic engagements to the point of neglecting my primary duties and especially my loving service to Krishna/God.

        As regards how ‘imperfect’ or ‘opposed to spirituality’ a particular field may be, our scriptures also teach this: This material world is imperfect, and ANY profession could have its faults. We should definitely avoid what is grossly sinful (e.g., no prostitutes, drug dealers, butchers, or casino owners!) as far as possible. But to a point, it can be very difficult to avoid things that are not in line with spirituality.

        The Bhagavad Gita still teaches that we should not just run away from our duties out of fear, but we should simply do our best, and leave the rest up to Krishna/God. He knows our situation and will most value our sincerity and devotion. 🙂

      • I don’t have time to address all of your issues. But one major flaw in your thoughts – THE HK’s ARE NOT USING THE VEDAS and the B’GITA. They are freeloading off the name of these scriptures and using their own philosophy.

        The best

        Digger

      • Hare Krishna (not DD)

         /  November 24, 2013

        2. Isolation

        Similar point to the above. I’ll add to this: we can’t really uplift others or be integral parts of society if we isolate ourselves from it. Also, we definitely don’t want to fall into the trap of sheltering ourselves too much, to the point of being totally unprepared for handling the temptations of this world if we happen to encounter them.

        We ARE taught that spiritual engagements and having association with like-minded persons will help us spiritually advance (and it makes logical sense, in the same way that as DD said, associating with surgeons and taking classes in surgery will help us to become better surgeons). So, that is definitely something we seek out for. But it’s definitely NOT a requirement by the “system” to ONLY seek that kind of engagement or association.

        I know a devotee (one of my earliest mentors) who works for the government in a science-related position. He actually makes it a point to spend time with some of his (non-devotee) colleagues and friends routinely. Sometimes these colleagues do things that are not spiritually healthy (like smoke or drink), and he doesn’t join them in that, but he still hangs out with them. To him, it is important to make friends of this world, to BE a good friend, and to offer inspiration. When I was very new to the movement, I asked him how we deal with non-devotees.

        His advice to me basically sums up the attitude of the Hare Krishna movement towards this issue: “Give, but don’t take, association” of those who aren’t devotees. In other words, DO get to know them and DON’T isolate yourself from them. But don’t get tempted by or distracted away with the bad things or materialistic ideas that they’ve gotten lost into.

        Again, different devotees may have different ideas and preferences on how much (or how little) we SHOULD associate with outsiders; again, it’s up to us, as individuals. Some will prefer less, while others will thrive even with more. The “system” makes NO mandate about this either.

      • Hare Krishna (not DD)

         /  November 24, 2013

        3. Sleep Deprivation

        Okay, that’s definitely NOT supposed to happen. In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna/God warns us that some who sleeps too much OR SLEEPS TOO LITTLE would struggle to be a yogi (spiritual practitioner). So ideally, as devotees we should be getting just enough sleep.

        As DD said, early to bed and early to rise … gives better quality sleep, so you don’t need as much to be healthy. 🙂 Having a 04:30 service (which is OPTIONAL to attend) and sleeping by 21:00-22:00 helps us with keeping that kind of schedule. Six to seven hours is really plenty for many people, and a recent study showed that people who sleep around that much time live longer. But it’s definitely NOT required. If your body needs more sleep, then GET IT!

        My personal recommendation would be to sleep EARLIER (and I love the morning service, when I am able to attend, so that would be my own preference so that I won’t miss out on it), but devotees can (and do) wake up later if they want or need the extra sleep.

        Does everyone do that? Admittedly, no. But people make that mistake (of working too much and not getting enough sleep) for a variety of reasons that are not at all related to spirituality as well (workaholic tendencies being one of them). Has anyone pressured fellow men to stay up late and work, then rise early? Probably, at some point, although they are NOT supposed to. Again, the “system” isn’t at fault there, but very human people are.

      • Hare Krishna (not DD)

         /  November 24, 2013

        4. Insulated information

        There is one very big problem, as far as scriptural translations go (and this applies to, and is acknowledged by, both Hindus and Hare Krishna devotees): In studying our faith, much of academic scholarship got it wrong. WAY wrong.

        When done by outsiders, some of this was merely unintentional, done by those who didn’t know better. Others were very intentional, with the intent of making people think badly about the Hindu faith, supporting European imperialism, and converting Hindus to another faith – most notably the Christian faith (c.f. Max Mueller and his stated goal of “uprooting” the Vedic culture of ancient India and makig Hindus look like “savages”).

        Unfortunately, some of this (even gross misinformation) still persists today, as a result of that. I vividly remember a decent chunk of that being taught in my high school textbooks. (And this wasn’t that long ago; I am in my early twenties.) Obviously, we wouldn’t want to be getting our spiritual knowledge from these kinds of untrustworthy sources.

        There is another major problem, and this arises from within the Vedic tradition itself: Hinduism is VERY diverse. Theologically, most sects are either purely monotheistic or pantheistic, but different monotheistic sects regard different divine personalities as the one God, with the remainder considered as being devas (translated as “demigods”, but probably most comparable to archangels) who are servants of God. But the pantheistic sects believe that everyone and everything is God (and yes, even WE are God, according to them).

        Philosophically, the two main branches of Hinduism are the personalists and the impersonalists. The personalists are generally pure monotheists; they believe that God is a personality who personally interacts with us. The impersonalists, on the other hand

        To clarify quickly: the Hare Krishna movement follows the Gaudiya Vaishnava spiritual tradition. The Gaudiya Vaishnavas are a branch of the Vaishnava spiritual tradtion, and Vaishniavism is a branch of Hinduism. So technically, Hare Krishna devotees are Hindus. (Not all of them like to identify as such, though, in part because Hinduism IS such a diverse faith, and they’d like for their beliefs to be very clear by being more specific.) Hare Krishna devotees are very much personalists and very much pure monotheists, in staunch opposition of the “all is God” mentality, who believe as all Vaishnavas do that Krishna is God.

        The Vedic scriptures factually teach a theology that is purely monotheistic (with Krishna as God) and personalist in nature; the impersonal feature (or invisible, everywhere God) is recognised, but considered to be ultimately an aspect of the personal God. This can be verified clearly in such scriptures as the Bhagavad Gita, Shrimad Bhagavatam (also called the Bhagavata Purana), Ramayana, Mahabharata, and the Vishnu Purana, in the original Sanskrit verses. (I’m lucky to have a biological dad who studied Sanskrit for many years and can verify this. 🙂

      • Hare Krishna (not DD)

         /  November 24, 2013

        4. Insulated information (continued)

        So, how did all of this philosophical and theological variety then arise? Well, the impersonalist pantheists, who believe that God is ultimately impersonal and that we are all really God, but just don’t know it yet, and will when we are spiritually advanced enough (and whom the Hare Krishna devotees are NOT), while outwardly accepting the authority of the Vedic scriptures, don’t really take what the scriptures say literally.

        A lot of them interpret the scriptures in one of the following ways:
        -> Either as man-made attempts to try to understand a God who is difficult to understand
        -> Or concessions made by spiritual teachers who believe that God is ultimately impersonal (and that we are all really God) but know that the common people won’t understand or accept this, who tried to make spirituality more accessible by giving them something (a personal God, and a purely monotheistic worldview) that they CAN grasp, to get them into some kind of spirituality and start their spiritual journeys on SOME God-focused spiritual path
        -> Or just completely allegorical (or metaphorical) descriptions of God as they understand Him

        As such, they don’t take much care to interpret things literally. Much word jugglery (of the original Sanskrit) is involved, and a lot of liberal interpretation is used, in some cases, to fit these ideas or perspectives of God that they hold on to. That leaves a LOT of diversity in, and frankly plenty of blatantly misleading, translations of the holy scriptures.

        The translations can really be VERY different in what they teach, and this has important spiritual implications in terms of belief and practice.

        Here’s an example. Bhagavad Gita 18.66 (in English, translated literally) starts with: “Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me.” Pretty straightforward: Krishna/God is speaking, and He is telling us to surrender unto HIM. (Seriously, how much more clear can it get?) This can be verified by the original Sanskrit words used in the second phrase of the sentence: mam (unto Me) ekam (only) sharanam (surrender) vraja (go).

        But the impersonalists (and there are many, many translations out there that have the translation for this verse written in this way) actually interpret this very differently, despite the seemingly straightforward meaning of this verse. You see, they start with the very assumption that we are ALL ultimately God. So, why would we need to surrender unto someone else? If that idea is true, then theoretically we wouldn’t, as we can just turn to ourselves.

        So, their translation generally is accompanied by the commentary (or sometimes this commentary is written as if it is PART of the translation) that Krishna/God, according to them, is really saying that we should surrender unto ourselves. By “unto Me”, according to them, Krishna/God is really referring to the “inborn” Lord, and so we should really surrender unto the Lord who is within us all – or in their view, the Lord who IS us all. VERY different, as you can see.

        Note that (if you look at the original verse) the word “inborn” is NEVER mentioned in that verse. But a direct, straightforward, literal translation just wouldn’t make sense or go along with that pantheistic, impersonalist view that we all are God, because really, why surrender to anyone else if we are all God and we can just surrender to ourselves? So, they throw it in.

        From a literalist, personlist, purely monotheistic perspective, that is a seriously flawed way of thinking. Surrendering to ourselves is exactly the OPPOSITE of what we want to do.

        This just gives you an example of what I mean. Now, this sort of translation and interpretation isn’t unique to the impersonalists, as even certain sectarian groups within the personalist and purely monotheistic sects have done it to some extent. You can see, from a literalist perspective, how that sort of non-literal translation and interpretation could actually be seen as spiritually DANGEROUS. (I will remind you, again, that Hare Krishna devotees ARE literalists, personalists, and pure monotheists in their beliefs.)

        Sadly, a great many – I’d venture forth to say in all likelihood the vast MAJORITY – of translations out there are from an impersonalist (and in some cases, pantheistic) perspective. Why is that so? Well, in the English-speaking world at least, the teachings of Ramakrishna and Vivekananda which were impersonalist in nature were hugely influential for a significant period of time, and their ideas to a significant extent spilled into other movements such as Transcendentalism and Christian Science. Buddhism shares some aspects of the impersonalistic view (if one goes deep into their respective philosophical precepts, you’ll see the similarities). These aren’t the only, but are some examples of, impersonalism that caught on. Consequently, impersonalism simply became very popular in the West, and to some extent even in the East, and a great number of impersonalist translations of the Vedic sacred texts (in English) soon followed.

        Consequently, it would NOT be appropriate to just take any source out there and trust that their translation or interpretation, from a literalist point of view, is accurate.

        I will say this: Speaking as an Indian (and a South Indian, to be more precise), there are quite a fair number of NON-English translations (in various local Indian languages) available that are not impersonalist in nature. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Hare Krishna devotees are not Indian, and do not read or speak most of these languages. As Hinduism is largely not a faith that engages in missionary activity, and only recently has there been a large enough shift of the Indian diaspora that a growing population of only-English speakers amongst Indian Hindus may arise, there really hasn’t been much motivation to translate these texts. And some of them, unfortunately, do not have the best of English language use. (That is forgivable, but does not make things easier when you are new to a faith or trying to learn its teachings.)

        The Hare Krishna devotees are unique in that they believe that the faith should be open to ALL who wish to practice, and that everyone should have the right to have access to the teachings of the faith so that they can join and practice it if they choose. Consequently, the Gaudiya Vaishnavas (those who believe in and share the faith of the Hare Krishnas, whether or not they are affiliated with ISKCON) have come out with many of the English translations that ARE from a literalist, personalist, purely monotheistic, and Vaishnava (Krishna as God) view. There is really not too much conflict between different Gaudiya Vaishnava viewpoints.

      • Hare Krishna (not DD)

         /  November 24, 2013

        4. Insulated information (still continued)

        As spiritual practitioners and truth seekers, naturally we seek for the material that is most accurate and best represents the truth of spirituality. Srila Prabhupada, who wrote the primary translations of the foundational texts (Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Shri Caitanya Caritamrta, the Nectar of Devotion, the Nectar of Instruction, etc.) used in the Hare Krishna movement, prided himself on translating things, literally, “as it is”, so that we could see, and understand from the point of view of, what the scriptures REALLY say.

        If you read these books, you will see that Srila Prabhupada has kindly included a word-by-word translation of every single word of every single verse of the core scriptures (Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, and Sri Caitanya Caritamrita) along with a few others. Anyone will be able to verify the accuracy of his literal translations with a copy of the gold standard in academia, the Monier-Williams Sanskrit dictionary. (And a copy of this dictionary is actually provided by ISKCON, available in electronic form for purchase at cost from Krishna.com). Monier-Williams has been available and in use long before ISKCON existed.

        Srila Prabhupada’s literal, word-by-word translations have, for many years, been the ONLY translations of their kind available for these core scriptures for many years. Srila Prabhupada’s translation of the Srimad Bhagavatam has long been the ONLY complete, unabridged English translation (as far as I’m aware, it still might be) of the Srimad Bhagavatam into English. I believe the same is true of the Sri Caitanya Caritamrta, if I am not mistaken. It’s kind of hard to use alternative sources when equivalents don’t exist. 🙂

        Naturally, we would like to have “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth” of what our scriptures teach. So, we take these literal translations given by Srila Prabhupada, which translate the WHOLE (complete, unabridged) scriptural text, and make each verse available to us, with its correct meaning (verifiable by a proper Sanskrit dictionary) word by word.

        So, yeah, from a spiritual perspective one can argue about which spiritual teacher or divine personality’s translation is the most bona fide, directly given in the line of the spiiritual disciplic succession, or God-given translation. But from a secular perspective, when you understand from a cultural and historical perspective why all of these translations exist and what the problems are with many of them, it makes perfect sense why we do what we do. 🙂

        For those who DON’T know about this cultural and historical background of other translations … well, yes, it’s true that some of them were simply told the spiritual reason (that these books are written in accordance with the teachings of the ancient disciplic succession and are therefore most accurate) and chose to accept it on that basis. I can see why people (outside of the faith) might be concerned about how they can be sure of such a conclusion.

        But for those who are familiar with the cultural and historical context of these translations (like myself, who came from an Indian Hindu background, had done serious investigation of the various faith traditions within Hinduism, and was born of a biological father who had studied the Sanskrit language for many years) to choose Srila Prabhupada’s translation is simply the logical choice. I myself came to this movement (and am probably a huge anomaly for doing so) after reading Srila Prabhupada’s translation of the Srimad Bhagavatam, which is normally never even touched without intense study of less-advanced books, only to find that his presentation of the scriptures much more closely aligned with what the scriptures actually taught.

        As for keeping insulated from OTHER types of information, that definitely is not the case. We in the Hare Krishna movement are absolutely encouraged to know what’s going on in the world, to learn various kinds of knowledge, and to see how to integrate that knowledge with our lives and spiritual practice. For example, I can learn to program computers (which is not even remotely spiritual), and then I can use that skill in the service of devotees and Krishna/God. I can learn about weather or local crimes from the use, and use that information to travel safely. I can, and many devotees have, integrate the teachings of my faith with a particular field of study (such as economics, art history, or various fields of science) and integrate that knowledge with modern scholarship in the field to produce new knowledge of value with practical application. It’s best not to materialistically waste time aimlessly, but to obtain information that has positive value is definitely seen as a good thing, even within the faith.

        I hope that makes more sense and sheds some light on this very important issue.

      • Hare Krishna (not DD)

         /  November 24, 2013

        5. Austerity & Charity

        Yeah, to be honest, I’ve never heard of a devotee who has actually asked people to donate 50% to the temple. Not to say that no one does it voluntarily (and kudos to the wonderful devotees out there, if there are any, who do!) but it is definitely NOT enforced in any way. Devotees aren’t technically required to give anything at all, although they are encouraged (IF they are working and earning) to utilise some of that money in devotional service. Krishna consciousness has always been a movement that teaches that devotional service should be voluntary and come from the heart, and to force devotees to donate any specific amount is directly against that core principle of our faith.

        Does that mean that NO ONE has ever asked for money? No, and it’s certainly happened (although I do have to say that I have NOT been to many programmes where donation was even emphasised, aside from occasional requests to support some fundraising campaign during announcements, or an alert if a major source of funding would not continue). There have probably been cases (although it shouldn’t have happened) where devotees have pressured others present to donate, and believe me, that would make other devotees just as sick as it would outsiders if not more so. Once again, the “system” isn’t at fault here, but people are human.

        That said, devotees tend to be pretty considerate and caring. As a young student who lived alone, I was repeatedly told NOT to donate, had my meals and tickets repeatedly paid for me (during fundraising lunches/dinners and such – note that Sunday Love Feast meals, Food For Life/Food For All charity meals, and the meals served at many other temple programmes and festivals – are ALWAYS provided free of charge), and even had some of my contributions returned to me – all on the basis that I was a young student who probably can’t afford much. Once, when I let it slip (privately) to a friend that I was having significant financial hardship that month, I was pleasantly surprised by a very generous donation by that devotee and a few of her friends, just to help me out with paying for my food and bills for the month. 🙂 (I am NOT the type who likes to seek out free “handouts”, but I did very much appreciate the gift as a token of sincere love and care.) I’m not alone in receiving such kindness from the Hare Krishna devotees.

        It was such a kind gesture … and something that far more accurately reflects the devotees of the Hare Krishna movement, in my experience, than the mischaracterisation that we are forced to “cough up” any amount of money. (No one was forced to donate any of that, either; it all came out of the kindness of their hearts. Such wonderful souls!)

    • Hare Krishna (not DD)

       /  November 24, 2013

      6. Association

      Speaking as a devotee with an Indian Hindu background, who unlike DD has some familiarity with the Brahma Kumaris (but never was part of their organisation): I have no idea where you got the idea that ISKCON and BK have “strong ties” as they really have nothing to do with each other and their beliefs actually directly conflict in several areas. I can assure you that ISKCON and BK are NOT related, and people from ISKCON as well as BK (and outside of both faith groups) can confirm this.

      Regarding beliefs, I had mentioned previously the difference between impersonalists and personalists, the two main philosophical branches of Hinduism. The Brahma Kumaris hold impersonalist beliefs, whereas the Hare Krishna devotees are strictly personalists. As DD said, the focus is exclusively on worship of and loving service to Krishna/God with the nine processes of devotional service as described in the Srimad Bhagavatam. And Hare Krishna devotees do NOT share many of the practices that Brahma Kumaris do.

      Pracitcally some of the only similarities I know of that Hare Krishna devotees have to Brahma Kumaris in terms of lifestyle are that they both abstain from sex outside of marriage (which MANY faith groups do), adhere to a strict lacto-vegetarian diet, abstain from illicit drugs, rise early and hold morning classes in their centres, and encourage association with like-minded believers. These are hardly unique to these two faith traditions and are all (yes, even the rising early and like-minded association) encouraged by the Hindu/Vedic teachings in which both faith traiditions are originally rooted. Nothing “cult-like” about that.

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    • Hare Krishna (not DD)

       /  November 24, 2013

      7. No Nooky

      Wow, I really don’t know where you got the idea that the spirtiual practices of the Hare Krishna devotees have anything to do with an alleged Jewish eugenics programme. These principles, which are to help us develop cleanliness, truthfulness, austerity, and mercy, are taught in the Vedic scriptures themselves which definitely pre-date any modern Jewish criminal organisation, if any such organisation exists.

      That said, there’s no disagreement with the principle that we SHOULD be aware of what’s going on in the world, if we really are a part of it.

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    • Hare Krishna (not DD)

       /  November 24, 2013

      8. Hooking

      The happiness and euphoric dancing IS natural. 🙂 If you’re a part of it, you’ll experience it. The people who don’t feel that way (or feel uncomfortable/embarrased dancing) … simply don’t dance. That has never been a problem.

      It’s definitely not a charade to lure people in. (If anything, speaking as a former outsider myself, I’d think it can look a little weird to outsiders who don’t feel the euphoria yet … why would something that looks weird make you WANT to join us?) And it’s definitely NOT something that any of us are made to do. If you feel it, join in, and if you don’t, then you don’t have to. Simple as that.

      For me personally, I initially didn’t join in, because I thought I would look weird dancing and didn’t want to be laughed at. The happiness was real, but initially I kept it inside, and didn’t really join in with the dancing (or even clapping along with the music).

      But eventually, it clicked that it wasn’t about being a nice dancer. It was simply an expression of love for God and happiness in singing His glories and names. No one really cared how or even if I danced. That was between me and God. (And God doesn’t require my dancing either. But it’s nice to show Him that you’re happy, if you are.) So now, when I am happy and I feel like doing it, I do dance. 🙂

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    • Hare Krishna (not DD)

       /  November 24, 2013

      9. Positioning

      That’s not really accurate. How “well-funded” a particular Hare Krishna temple is really depends on the area, and on the interest of the devotees there. For the most part, Hare Krishna devotees really did start out with not very much money, and consequently bought and developed land in cheaper areas because that’s what they can afford. Believe me, some devotees themselves would have preferred temples being present in the nicer (and consequently, SAFER) areas. Actually, several temples are moving (or have moved) to better lands when they could afford to do so. (Not because they want to get away from poor people, necessarily, but because it’s nice to have a more accessible spiritual home in a safer area.)

      I know of at least two temples not too far away from me which were initially not so well funded, but are now moving to nicer areas, now that they can afford it. One of these temples is presently NOT located in a drug-prone area, but is kind of remote and hard to get to, and the property on which it was built was purchased simply because it was affordable. The other doesn’t even have its own temple yet, and is presently renting out a room in a local community center for its weekly services. Both are outside of India, but happen to be in areas with a very strong local Indian community. Quite obviously, neither of these temples was initially well-funded, or targeted the poor and vlunerable (with intent for “mind control” or otherwise). And these temples are definitely not alone.

      Yeah, the Mayapur temple (in India) is very well funded, but it’s in a holy place (and more recently, a spiritual tourism destination of growing popularity), so that’s to be expected. You’d probably expect the same of a church, synagogue, or mosque in Jerusalem. The prime location and the very opulent construction of the temple makes it clear that the temple is well funded, and deservedly so. As far as I know, ISKCON generally keeps fundraising campaigns separate, so (for example) the funds of the Mayapur temple generally wouldn’t be shipped over to (say) Dallas or London to build or repair them. Generally the temples, to a significant degree, run fairly independently in that regard.

      And speaking of big city properties, it just so happens that a blood relative of mine (who is NOT a Hare Krishna devotee, but also a Hindu herself) had considered investing in a property in Brooklyn that is very close to the Hare Krishna temple there. Now, Brooklyn is a part of New York City, and New York real estate prices are NOT very cheap. But for New York (and really, for the Northeastern United States in general), this property was actually very inexpensive. Surprisingly, even years after the Brooklyn Hare Krishna temple had been established, the area surrounding it had maintained (for the area) a relatively low property value. It is definitely possible even in big city areas to find cheaper lands to develop.

      All of the above is NOT to say that the Hare Krishna movement doesn’t want ex-drug-addicts to be welcomed in and reformed. Certainly we do. But it has always been the policy of the Hare Krishna movement NOT to discriminate between the rich and poor, and to target only one group at the exclusion of the other. Certainly not has there ever been a desire to trap poor, innocent, vulnerable souls in to any kind of system of unethical “mind control”.

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    • Hare Krishna (not DD)

       /  November 24, 2013

      10. Fishing

      It’s actually in a sense against the princples of the faith (as taught by the scriptures) to *force* the philosophy on people, as true devotional service should voluntarily come from the heart. Many devotees know what it’s like to have someone else’s philosophy shoved down your throats (just ask anyone who has lived in the Bible Belt of the USA) and don’t like to do the same.

      The Ratha Yatra parade and the Harinama Sankirtanas (where the dancing on the street and playing music/sound aren’t meant to be any more disruptive or philosophy-forcing than your typical parade or street festival. The Hare Krishna devotees want to show their love for Krishna/God, and also get a chance for people to see them and know who they are (and perhaps, learn more about them if they so desire), and it’s as simple as that.

      Our spiritual duty IS to serve others, and as you rightly said, NOT to ignore others who are suffering or global and local issues. Our movement is spiritually focused in nature, yet has set up a number of institutions (such as Food For Life/Food For All to feed the needy, hospitals and schools, medical camps and educational trusts to fund healthcare and education for the poor, Vaishnava Family Resources to strengthen marriages and families, the Artha Forum to encourage ethical business practices, and the Govardhan Eco Village to demonstrate and encourage environmentally friendly living in a modern world, to name just a few) to address wordly issues from a spiritual perspective as well.

      Nothing to do with the Jewish New World Order I can assure you. 🙂 I really don’t get where you got this “Jewish New World Order” nonsense linked with the Hare Krishna devotees. I am aware of the conspiracy theory, but frankly, it really doesn’t match up with the beliefs and practices of the movement. Nor does it even make sense, if you take into consideration the acctual (and very diverse) demographics of our movement. The movement was started by an elderly Indian Bengali spiritual leader (Srila Prabhupada) who had absolutely no connection to any such Jewish (or other criminal/conspiracy theorist) organisation, unless you consider the Indian independence movement (back in the 1940s) to be such a movement. 🙂

      Our faith teaches us that we are all spirit souls, yes, with no particular religious (or any other) label attached. None is inherently elite or non-elite, so it would be against the teachings of our faith to support one socioeconomic or ethnic/cultural/national group more than or at the exclusion of any others. We are primarily focused on the spiritual, and we are aware of worldly issues when relevant. No problem, cult-like inclination, or contradiction there. 🙂

      The Hare Krishna movement is, in summary, following exactly in line with an ancient spiritual tradition that is part of the Vedic traidition of ancient India from which Hinduism derives, namely of the Gaudiya Vaishnava of Vaishnavism, and is not any more “cult-like” or supportive of any New World Order organisation (Jewish or otherwise) in its beliefs, practices, or organisation as the ancient world religion of Hinduism.

      I hope this further elucidates on the Hare Krishna perspective. I would appreciate your thoughtful consideration of what I have to say. Please forgive me if I have committed any offenses along the way, as that was certainly not my intent.

      Thank you for your time and consideration. Hare Krishna!

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      • Respectfully we are going to have to agree to disagree. You have been conditioned by a cult.

        Hope you find the Truth – before it finds you

      • Sunil

         /  March 27, 2015

        An old saying “Why throw pears at pigs”?

      • Elena

         /  December 27, 2015

        first of all-it is a very lengthy point making. And VERY arrogant. Monopoly on truth is only in your imagination. I say there IS no truth apart from knowledge you were given by the culture. So your conditioning tells you there is some abstract truth, and that there is some way you can reach it, and prescribes how to reach it. But you cannot know it-because all of your knowledge is in thought. And thought has a short life, so it needs to repeat itself to continue. Thought creates this cycle of self-perpetuation and tells you that you are getting somewhere by repeating it, so it can go on forever with your help. Your indoctrination is no different from any other indoctrination in this world. Our priests are also long-winded. And it is nothing but greed and desire to usurp attention of another. If you were truly enlightened man/woman you would not try to pursue others into believing what you believe. You would KNOW for a fact that it is impossible to do and not waste your breath..

      • Not sure who this was directed to Elena? Could you first write @—— to whomever you want to reply to. Thanks

      • Elena Romanoff

         /  December 28, 2015

        it was directed at that person to whom you answered that “we agree to diagree” and that his writing is part of his indoctrination. The most lengthy Hare Krishna in your comments. In the future I’ll put their name, sorry didn’t realize.

        ________________________________

      • Ok thanks for commenting.

    • Well said 😉 its a good path, why doesn’t this individual go and get stuck into Isis instead, we are peace loving HK, get off our backs!!!!

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      • This individual is getting stuck into ISIS, because ISIS is JEWISH. Israeli Secret Intelligent Service. All roads lead to Rome – THE JEWS.

        You as an individual may indeed be peace loving. As with many people in many jew-founded organisations; but duped and inadvertently contributing to the jewish usurpation of the planet. HKs behind all their superficial smiles and dancing and yummy food = dangerous for this world!

    • Elena

       /  December 27, 2015

      dancing and singing is a sensual activity. it is being directed to “glorify god” thus giving it meaning, which is entirely superficial and thought driven. Since thought is a self-protecting mechanism all your glorification of god is self-centered, based on the fact that you know the meaning of your activity. Knowing the meaning of activity means thought is involved. And if thought is involved you are caught in activity of thought making use of your body to perpetuate itself. So there is no sanctity in your singing and dancing, except it may have a pain numbing, therapeutic effect for you. And the holy men enriching effect.

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    • So please leave our poor normal people out of it. Completely turned my boyfriend into a psudeo personality zombie. There’s nothing unique from one member to the next you’re in a cult dude.

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    • james

       /  July 20, 2016

      I’m not a member of HK but have been to a couple of sing-a-longs and felt good joining in singing Hare Krishna. It is not a cult, it’s a different way of thinking, a spiritual way of life. In no way do members force beliefs on you, you have to want to be informed to be informed and really. Members of Hare Krishna are some of the most gentle souls I have ever met.
      Life is hard by anyones perspective and HK just have an alternative way of making it sense of it all.
      Leave them be.
      Hare Hare
      Rama Rama

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      • james you naive soul – wake up. Yes of course ‘you f-e-e-l good’; but that’s the whole point. Sugar coated poison. That do inadvertently force their belief systems on you – through mind control.

        You just carry on your cozy little ‘sing-a-longs’ and see where you will be in a few years down the line. Incrementalism is the key word.

        And whilst your having your happy flappy sing-a-longs; watch how the world around you is rapidly deteriorating. THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF ALL THESE CULTS – TO DEFUSE AND DISTRACT and not engage you in the fight against jewish tyranny.

        WAKE UP MAN!!

  3. S. M

     /  June 27, 2013

    I found this very interesting, and informative. I was watching Scrubs and they made a brief mention of the Hare Krishna. Ive heard them referenced a bit on TV literature what have you, so I decided to look into them. Turns out a broad Google search doesn’t pull up a lot, mostly just on the chant. One yahoo question received an answer of “hare Krishna is not a cult, find something else to write your cult essay on.” seemed aggressive. Your page was the only thing I could find about it being on the lines of a cult, which I had always assumed and been told it was. Any how, thanks for the interesting read.

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    • Thank you SM.

      Sorry for belated reply – have been away.

      It’s just a surface/overview of my impression about this cult. I would recommend going to the links on the comments section – x-ISKCON,quite shocking; especially the bit about it being funded by Jews – surprise surprise.

      Thank you for commenting.

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    • DareDevil324

       /  July 5, 2013

      Dear S. M,

      Please do not think that Digger’s perspective on the Hare Krishna Movement is the only perspective. I’m sure Digger would not want you to do that anyways since it is important to see many perspectives on any issue so that you get a better overall picture. If you truly are interested in what we are about, then visit Krishna.com. You may or may not agree with our philosophy, but I simply ask that you refer to a site which is an official representation of the Hare Krishna movement.

      Thank you and Hare Krishna!

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  4. Hare Krishnas are in fact a cult, yet like all devotees who allow themselves to be programmed, they will deny it and act like you are just not on their level. I was once a monk with them, and left after a few weeks, as I was being told what type of music to listen to, where I could go and could not go, what I should eat, drink, wear, think, speak, blah,blah,blah. Is empowerment controlling individuals like they are in prison or the military? Or is dis-empowerment controlling and dominating people for your own personal gain? Understand that this cult attracts the most lost, confused, and needy people on this planet, as anyone who is empowered in themselves does not need a “group” or “gang” to walk through life with. Many of these people could not function in the real world and were attracted to this group as a way to hide from reality. Also there seem to be an energy feeding and power stealing phenomenon among this group, as people who like to feed off others energetically are attracted to large groups of people and communities to feed from.

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    • Welcome to DFT Jessica,

      This is interesting. And reinforces what I/we have observed. A cult indeed. And it so understandable why people would be drawn into this arena, as on the surface, like all cults it has some appealing qualities.

      Thank you for contributing.

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    • DareDevil324

       /  September 12, 2013

      Hi Jessica,

      I’ve been in the Hare Krishna movement for 26 years now(all my life) and you can reference my previous post for some more info if you like. Let me clear up something that everyone may be assuming when it comes to Hare Krishnas. First, you don’t have to be a monk in the movement to be considered a Hare Krishna. You can just chant the Hare Krishna mantra at home and be considered Hare Krishna. Becoming a monk is only for those who would like to become more serious in their spiritual practice. We have members of the movement with vastly varied degrees of commitment. Some come once a week to the temple, some stay at the temple, some stay at home and volunteer a lot at the temple…I stay at my apartment which is close to the temple and volunteer a lot. I am an accountant, and work 40 – 50 hours a week. I am married. I love my wife dearly and all my family and friends. A lot of my family aren’t members of the movement. A few of my friends aren’t. I love playing sports, especially football and basketball. I love the Dallas Cowboys, although sometimes I hate them too..haha. Basically I’m pretty “normal” as it gets…I want to apologize if someone was too fanatical and immature to treat you respectfully.

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  5. enchant

     /  September 13, 2013

    Dear Digger

    I have had an interesting read with your blog here and am so grateful to you for taking the time and energy to create such. After reading, I felt this sudden ecstatic flow of contentment and peace with where I am with my spiritual life at the moment.I am a Hare Krishna and never felt so humbled for being one , the way I feel now after reading your blog.Your blog has reinforced the absolute , truthful and deeply spiritual message my Hare Krishna’s are so lovingly delivering out in the world daily. So much selfless deliverance with no attachment to material gain or fame. Why don’t you take a leaf out of the Hare Krishna’s book of the essence of material existence and practice what they are daily distributing ;ie : concentrate on your own personal spiritual upliftment and respectfully leave others to their own beliefs and worship.The Supreme Personality of Godhead is there to oust the miscreants and the mind programming cults , He does not need help from you.

    You have recommended that DD ”get out and truly live”. Truly living would be : slaughtering innocent animals and eating them ? Having sex wherever and whenever? Gambling ? Intoxication ? If truly living are the above , then I am contendly happy where I am … singing and chanting the Lord’s name…living in this peaceful world of Krishna Consciousness Srila Prabhupad created for us.

    What humility ,compassion,kindness, patience and spiritual calmness the Hare Krishna’s have taught me. That was and always will be the best day of my life walking into Sri Krishna’s temple and being greeted by a saffron robed devotee. The start to a spiritual journey I would never trade for anything in this world.

    So thank you Digger. I had become so forgetful of this gift that ISKCON so generously wrapped around my heart. Your blog has rekindled my love for my Hare Krishna’s all over the world.

    Thank you , Your servant

    Hare Krishna

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    • enchant, you have taken a huge dose of soma (as in Audous Huxley’s brave new world) and don’t even know it. You have ‘happily’ accepted your slavery and mind control.

      You said: “Why don’t you take a leaf out of the Hare Krishna’s book of the essence of material existence and practice what they are daily distributing ;ie : concentrate on your own personal spiritual upliftment and respectfully leave others to their own beliefs and worship.”

      Why – because leaving people to just get with their beliefs and worship as in judaism and all their branch cults like the HK is destroying this world, that’s why.

      Whilst children are being bombed and elderly are being murdered in the medical mafia irresponsible naive people like you are selfishly dancing around in a coma.

      Truly living does have to entail: slaughtering innocent animals and eating them ? Having sex wherever and whenever? Gambling ? Intoxication ?

      I do not do any of these things. One can be spiritually based, have control of the senses as the Gita implies and not belong to a mind controlling cult. But that’s what the HK keep drumming into you, that everyone who is not part of your cult is evil and engages in these activities.

      You are simply mind controlled. There is no question of this. I will never be able to have a balance discussion with you. You ought to objectively speak to the hundreds of x ISKCON members across the globe who have been screwed up by the mind cult.

      I just wish you can get deprogrammed and face reality.

      Thank you anyway for contributing

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  6. anton

     /  October 10, 2013

    Sorry, all you Krishna Wishnas out there but there is absolutely zero scientific evidence supporting the idea that an hour of sleep before midnight is worth 2 hours after midnight. I think thats what you were trying to say. Well, its complete nonsense. It HAS BEEN proven that the average human being needs 7-9 hours of sleep per night/day or whenever you might sleep. Continues sleep deprivation takes its toll on your health in a variety of ways, mostly in a dulling of intellect and energy, as well as long term health of the heart and other organs. This is not me talking, this is what decades upon decades of scientific research by doctors has shown. Good Luck!

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  7. Vimal-Krsna

     /  October 29, 2013

    Hello. I was actually looking for pictures of Hare Krsna Devotees when I came across this blog.

    I was born and currently reside in South Africa. My ancestors were from the state of Bihar, in India. I followed Hinduism for most of my life. Then, in 2009/2010 I was blessed to be in the association of Hare Krsna Devotees.

    I’m quite a regular, out-going, intelligent guy, and I must emphasize that Hare Krsna’s is not a cult. I personally chose to follow its teachings, and offer my worship mostly at home and am in association with a few devotees.

    As a Medical student, I am already quite pre-oocupied with my academic work and so I chant and listen to bhajan and Kirthan when I have time.

    Krsna consciousness has brought joy into my life. I was not forced to become a vegetarian by anyone, but I gradually lost my appetite for meat products, and I must say, becoming a vegetarian has been one of the best choices I’ve made! I’ve become a much happier and peaceful person than I was before, and am living my dream right now.

    People may say what they want to about Hare Krsna’s, but its been the greatest gift I’ve received so far in my life.

    Hare Krsna!!

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    • Good luck to you VK, but wait until down the line, when the damage is done and the honeymoon is over. It’s a warning. Speak to long-term x-HKs. Visit x-ISKCON on this page.

      Thanks for contributing

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  8. Prajapati

     /  November 15, 2013

    I agree with all of this, having just left the Hare Krishnas for good after 6-7 years on and off. They target students and addicts, anyone needing someone to lean on, and are exceptionally generous in order to get people to associate with them and be drawn in.

    They teach to reject all outside sources of authority and try to present their writings as the most authoritative sources of history and spirituality. They call everything “Vedas” even though 90% of what they call the Vedas are not even the Vedas. They call all kind of medieval Indian gobbledegook like the Srimad Bhagavatam from the 1000’s “Vedas” and present them as the most ancient sources of spirituality on earth. They say they are 5,000 or more years old even though there are no copies of anything from India more than 800 years old (try keeping a writing preserved in a hot, wet, insect infested environment like India for even 5 years and you’re lucky).

    The fact that you’re supposed to have total obedience to your guru in Gaudiya Vaishnavism was just bad news the second it came to America… From the beginning Srila Prabhupada recruited drug addicts, criminals and the sexually and socially frustrated. He had no discernment for the personalities he took under his wing. Once they realized they were going to be in line to be the next gurus and have all the power he had things went to hell in a hand basket, there’s recording of Prabhupada as he was dying saying someone poisoned him. 11 of his disciples took over, proclaimed themselves Acaryas, then got up into all kinds of criminal activity (which is in the public record, not a rumour). They sold drugs, molested children and devotees under their power and murdered people that tried to let the world know. Literally every one of them ended up dead or imprisoned.

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  9. I was in ISKCON and I don’t agree with you that it was some Jewish plan. If anything, it made me realise the Old Testament was just based on Sumerian myths, and Jesus was trying to teach real spirituality in the Vedas. The founder said he respected Jesus as a man of god.
    The reason I left was because I was offended when reading passages about the unintelligent, and it said women and sudras are those people. The founder also said women can’t be first class unless they have a husband. I had been studying spirituality for years, and I don’t automatically think I’m less intelligent than men who are new to it. Plus I don’t see how I should take the blame if men find me attractive, as that’s their problem.
    While I respect a lot of their teachings, I think the founder added his prejudices. Plus I also heard he said nasty things about black people. I never had any suitable explanation that made me feel better about being a woman in the group.
    I had never heard of the Brahma Kamaris until reading this, so just looked up their page, and they seem to have important women in their group. I’m not sure how that can fit in with ISKCON where they’re only just letting women have important positions.
    I think the founder had to marry a young girl with no education and didn’t have a good marriage, so I wasn’t sure how he could understand that some men and women have a good relationship and I felt uneasy with the issues about sex.

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    • With respect Sarah, near on EVERYTHING is controlled or instigated by the elite Jews.

      Thank you for contributing

      Digger

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  10. It’s a shame they made me feel bad about being a woman, as I enjoyed the Bhakti Yoga and the spiritualised food.

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  11. Plus what the founder was teaching about women went against the ancient writings, as Rada was seen as important as Krishna, and the Gopis were seen as the most important devotees. Also the cows they get milk from which is an important part of their diet are female.

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  12. Josh

     /  November 18, 2013

    Digger having read your blog I feel as though you touch on a few truths but allow your paranoia about the “Jewish conspiracy” to take control and to over run the points you try to make. Yes there are conspiracies and plenty of problems in this world and if the Hare Krishna’s believe they can help themselves and other people along the way to finding some sort of peace in the world then surely that is a good thing. They are not burying their heads in the sand and ignoring the problems of the world they are trying to making it better one person at a time. As it stands at the moment humanity need all the kindness and love they can find to help bring the change we so desperately need.

    As for the sleeping thing of “one hour before midnight is better than two hours” after I find that I wake feeling a lot more refreshed and energetic

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    • Josh, you are simply not ‘Jew-wise’. You have to do your homework. We have all the supporting evidence to prove our “Jewish conspiracy”- heaps and heaps and heaps of evidence from eminent scholars gong back generations. If you CHOOSE to be denial about it, that is your issue. But I promise one thing – you will be facing it one day.

      Start doing some research Josh and you cannot avoid it. The side links are a start.

      Thank you for contributing

      Digger

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  13. thanan

     /  December 5, 2013

    Hare Krishna! All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

    Hare Krishna today is a straight up cult classic, perhaps it wasn’t always like that. Not to discredit the spiritual aspects, these appear sound. Just unfortunate that other people tweak to their mind control whims.

    Protip: I’m older now now, however got ‘involved’ when I was 18. ISKCON is definitely a satanic jewish illuminati conspiracy. Those who have an eye for spotting disassociation and certain types of mind control can see that certain ISKCON temples are a front for trauma based mind control victims. Google out ‘illuminati mind control’.

    At the same time, the ‘Hare Krishna’ experience I still value, and it has provided me with strong genuine spiritual foundations. Just glad I’ve deprogrammed from the whole mind control crap that was pushed onto me over the years. Thanks Devamrita Swami disciples!

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  14. Rob Knaapen

     /  January 4, 2014

    Of course, we all live in our individual consciousness. That consciousness relates to the bigger universe and everything in it. Krsna says in BG 7.12 that there is nothing but Him. All living entities have sameness with Him in quality, not in quantity.

    Srila Prabhupada states in his 10.11 purport that you don’t need to surrender to a guru. When you’re sincere in your bhakti Krsna, the original guru, gives you buddhi from within.

    Many aren’t able to read Bhagavad Gita As It Is properly because of their lusty desires and therefore defect brain capacity. Even the “50% charity” they don’t understand because of not being able to read properly.

    Jaya Srila Prabhupada!

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    • And you are reading the B’Gita – you are parroting a perverted version of the Gita. HKs are a mind control cult!

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  15. Gita

     /  January 24, 2014

    I have a beautiful daughter who got married 8 years ago at the age of 25. They were both fine and loving towards us and the family for about a year. Then they got involved with the Hare Krishna movement. They have been brainwashed so much that they will not return our telephone calls, won’t open their door when we try to see them and will not attend any family functions. This goes for both sides of the family.

    We don’t mind them taking the sprititual path but to disconnect completely from the family is beyond our understanding. What are they teaching these youngsters? We just cannot understand this and don’t know what to do. She is our only daughter. We don’t think we have done anything wrong but who knows!!! They will just not talk to us.

    Please help. I am at my wits end.

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    • Dear Gita,

      Firstly apologies for responding earlier. I am not blogging as much as I used to.

      Thank you for being brave enough to express your heartfelt pain. I am SO sorry to hear your experience. It is unfortunately not unique. And with respect just another dot in this judaic mind-control matrix. The disconnect from the family is classic cultish behaviour. It is encouraged – in order to deepen the mind control; be it the HKs or whatever cult.

      They have not taken the spiritual task at all. Just a guise of a spiritual path. They are not studying the Baghdad Gita, but a perverted version of it.

      I apologise for not having a concise answers. I can only suggest tenacity in trying to reach them. Directly or indirectly. They may well come round.

      The work many of us try to do in this Truth movement is attempt to expose the ROOT cause of all this carnage and misery – Jewish perfidy.

      We wish you strength and perseverance.

      Thank you for contributing.

      Digger

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    • Murari Das

       /  March 13, 2014

      Dear Gita,

      I am not involved with Iskcon now. But used to be involved with them 10 years ago. I believe that Iskcon does not represent true teachings of Gita. A true follower of Gita will become more loving, kind and respectful to parents. Instead your daughter has severed relationship with you. That is against the teachings of Gita. Actually, Gita teaches us to be kind, loving, respectful and appreciative of all as God resides in all. Could you send me more details of your daughter? I can ask some Iskcon leader to contact her and explain that her actions are against the teachings of Gita.

      Regards,
      Murari Das
      murari16108@outlook.com

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  16. 11. Never stop talking and often argue in endless circles with massive amounts of pressure telling you that your viewpoints are wrong by long winded paragraphs and speaches and when bested there is always some spiritual person to “just have faith in his words of translation” even though we have no idea where these translations come from or if the bhagavad gita is even real or a mythical tale

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  17. worldwatcher88

     /  March 13, 2014

    I haven’t read all the posts yet, but thought i would just add my experience with the HK. I was a Jehovah’s Witness for over 25 years and came out of it, and met a woman who was involved with the HK. She invited me to go to the HK house/temple in Watford, it was donated by George Harrison. The people were very nice, but also very misled. For a start, they throw themselves on the floor when they go into the prayer room, all i could think of was they were bowing down to false idols, as there were many idols on a platform, which they changed into nightclothes in the evening and again into day clothes in the morning, quite bizzare! The Bible says we should not bow down to idols, so i immediately knew that it was wrong, and it was well over the top. They also believe that the cow is holy, and they are vegetarians. I met the Head and he was a very nice man and actually had good conversations with him, but told him that i was just visiting, i treated it as a day out and to see what they were about. There was absolutely no chance of me getting involved, as i had just come out of a cult, and as your article says HK has the signs of a cult, mind control, etc., The Hindu’s used to visit the temple as i think it is part of their belief. At the end of the day, HK, JW Mormons etc., are all cults and when people are in them, they can’t see the truth as they are afraid they will get thrown out if they dare question it, and it is a form of security to some people. I thought that the JW’s were the only ones who preached about the end times and the only ones who preached door to door, even though the Mormons do it, they are not as methodical. I have been educated about the JWO since i left, and found the real truth of who the Anglo-Saxon-Celtish people are in the Bible, that God will save us as we are a special people, the ‘apple of His eye’ and do not need any cult to milk me of my money, time or energy.

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    • Thank you for your comments WW.

      I think most (if not all) religions which preach ‘end times’ are dodgy. Like they are engaging in ‘predictive programming’.

      The JWs are just another kosher set up.

      Thanks for commenting

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  18. Kitty

     /  March 29, 2014

    I dated a guy (we will call him C) whose Mom and Dad had been Hare Krishnas back in the early days and stayed in it until C was 4 years old. C’s Mom and I had I had lots of talks about the Hare Krishna; I’m Episcopal and had no experience with any Eastern religion except Buddhism. C’s Mom’s Father had been one of the first followers in the US and she had been brought in to Hare Krishna when she was very young. She had a bad experience when she was a child living at a temple she was systematically drugged with LSD and raped has a child and early teen then forced to marry C’s Father at 17, by the higher ups in the the HK movement. C’s Father joined the movement has a young college student to escape an abusive past home life. C’s parents left the HK movement after has Father got his masters degree and he needed to move to a different city so he could get a job, and there was little Hare Krishna presence around were they moved to, so they basically just left according to what his Mom told me. But why they left according to C was some what darker and somewhat of a secret; His Mom went to the child care center early one day and found a man telling C to “Suck his lollipop,” She took C and never looked back.

    My Mom told me she had been in the Hare Krishna movement for a while in the early 70’s but she left after hearing allegations of sexual abuse against children and she started dating a guy who was Baha’i. My Mom never told me any of this until I was dating C, she told me she had been a Lutheran all her life. She told me that you don’t hear much about the really bad things that happened with the Hare Krishna’s in the 70’s but that todays Hare Krishna are more “with it” group. I think my mom would like to go back to the Hare Krishna but she is to much of a Jesus freak too and my Dad thinks all organized religions are cults, but there is a Great Spirit and that Spirit is in everything.

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  19. JK

     /  April 17, 2014

    To call the Hare Krishnas a cult is completely false. The religion goes back thousands of years in India, and there are hundreds of millions of people following it to this day. Why don’t you take a trip to India and just see for yourself. We have become so conditioned by Western Culture that we think this is the truth, yet we have no idea what goes on in the east. Also, ISKCON is huge. You can’t expect everyone to be perfect in following the principles. Everyone is at different levels. Just like, Harvard University is perfect, but some people may fail. That doesn’t make Harvard any less.

    To preach about not killing animals, not having illicit sex like animals, and understand the higher principles of life is the essence to human life. How do we know it’s a bonafide religion and the books are bonafide? Because the founder, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami was bonafide, with no flaw in his step. His books have been translated into English from some of the most ancient writings. He doesn’t teach only this religion and nothing else. You can still practice Islam, Christianity, whatever. The point is increasing love of God and letting go of sinful habits, like eating flesh and blood when there are plenty of fruits and grains available. Just see these slaughterhouse videos and understand what this society has become. Then read some of these books and see what this society used to be. We are degrading ourselves and the Hare Krishnas help uplift us back to our original consciousness. Simple and plain.

    Increase your love towards God and all living beings, that’s Hare Krishnas. A cult? What is a cult? Does it stem from culture? Because this culture is beautiful.

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    • To call the Hare Krishnas a cult is completely false. The religion goes back thousands of years in India, WRONG! It does not go back thousands of years, it just free-loads off the Baghavad Gita which goes back thousands of years. Your cult is jumping on the back of this heritage in order to give it credibility and authenticity. Its a con, you have fallen for, and millions have fallen for. It was only spiced onto the original BG in the 60s. Do some INDEPENDENT research. You’ve been had – hypnotised – mind controlled.

      and there are hundreds of millions of people following it to this day. Why don’t you take a trip to India and just see for yourself. SO, what has that got to do with being the Truth, because many gullible people like yourself follow it?? Quantity of believe does not provide any substance for Truth. Just look at all the idiots who believe Islam did 9/11, when it was clearly International Jewry.

      We have become so conditioned by Western Culture that we think this is the truth, yet we have no idea what goes on in the east. Also, ISKCON is huge. You can’t expect everyone to be perfect in following the principles. Everyone is at different levels. Just like, Harvard University is perfect, but some people may fail. That doesn’t make Harvard any less. Poor analogy, especially when I never claimed that the HK were perfect or not. This not the point. I am pointing out it is ‘another’ Jewish mind control cult. It is another clever distraction technique, to get otherwise potential young people to go back to sleep, and not care about the Jewish New World Order. Every HK I met was cavalier and ignorant about what was going on around them on a global-political level. Just perfect for the Jews.

      To preach about not killing animals, not having illicit sex like animals, and understand the higher principles of life is the essence to human life. Again, you are contorting the essence of this essay. Of course there is nothing wrong with these principles. Although the ‘no sex’ ban fits in neatly with the Jews’ eugenics plan. The point is, this cult gives a nice cosy facade, yet acts in a vile disgusting manner behind the scenes.

      How do we know it’s a bonafide religion and the books are bonafide? Because the founder, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami was bonafide, with no flaw in his step. WRONG again! This is more repeater mode talk. You say he is bonafide because that is what you WANT to believe in your bias. That is what you have been conditioned to think, therefore repeat – mind control. This character was very dodgy, so don’t come it on he was flawless. He was part of a government mind control project in the 60s. Wake up.You have been hypnotised.

      His books have been translated into English from some of the most ancient writings. RUBBISH. Yes they have been translated into English, so what!? But certainly NOT from ancient manuscripts. They are leaning on ancient manuscripts as a guise, to hoodwink people like you in to think you have discovered an authentically old spiritual practice. Nothing could be further from the Truth. It is deception, which you and millions have unfortunately fallen for hook, line and sinker. The HKs are as ancient as the 60s mini skirt.

      He doesn’t teach only this religion and nothing else. You can still practice Islam, Christianity, whatever. Of course! This fits in neatly with their one world government. Everything goes. The more inclusion the better. More people get hooked into this mind-control cult.

      The point is increasing love of God and letting go of sinful habits, like eating flesh and blood when there are plenty of fruits and grains available. Just see these slaughterhouse videos and understand what this society has become. Mate, please don’t preach to me about cruelty of animals. I have been fighting for the rights of animals for 30 years. In fact I have dedicated a whole page to this theme. One certainly doesn’t have to be a HK to have compassion for animals. Anyway, we need some levels of animal cholesterol in our diets. Even though I believe all slaughterhouses should be banned. All cults advocate the non-eating of flesh because people become more passive on a non-animal based diet.
      https://diggerfortruth.wordpress.com/sentient-beings/

      Then read some of these books and see what this society used to be. I have read many HK material, especially their warped version of the B’Gita. It is pure sweet poison. Mind control.

      We are degrading ourselves Well we reach the end and we agree on one thing. Yes, we have allowed ourselves to become degraded, because we have been hypnotised by judaism.

      and the Hare Krishnas help uplift us back to our original consciousness. Simple and plain. This is simply not true. The HKs are destroying people’s lives through mass mind control. They are ridding people’s spirit and ability to free think. HKs is a mind control cult to destroy people’s lives.

      Increase your love towards God and all living beings, that’s Hare Krishnas. Sounds lovely, but all cults have nice-sounding fluffy themes to draw vulnerable people in.

      A cult? What is a cult? Does it stem from culture? No, the word does not stem from culture. This is what many HKs repeat. Like a quick soundbite in defence.

      Because this culture is beautiful. On the surface, yes, very beautiful. Until like all Truth, one digs in deeper to see the smelly mucky substance it truly is.

      But – we’re going to have to agree to disagree. Because in 10 years on a forum like this, I will never get through your bias hypnosis. To you the HK can do no wrong. Simply, you probably are a good caring soul who has been mind controlled.

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  20. adsfafs

     /  May 16, 2014

    HK is just nonsense , and exploitation, looting money, brainwashing, schizophrenia, and superstition.

    1. HK people are taught that the sun is closer than the moon. Its brainwashed into the more regular ones, the new ones are not told this to “preserve their faith”.
    2. Their books say that the universe is made of 7 oceans, including water, milk, alcohol, yoghurt, buttermilk, etc.. And each succeeding ocean is larger than the last one.
    3. They are taught that women enjoy rape.
    4. They are taught that people are outside world are contaminated and cannot understand their “high” philosophy, so the “intimate” details of the paedophilia and rape should not be revealed to them until they are “purified” by decades of chanting and brainwashing.
    5. They say the earth is flat.
    6. The so called God, or “Supreme Personality Universe” Krishna has sex orgies with milkmaids in the middle of the night, and that is the highest experience.
    7. These sex orgy milkmaids are 13-14 years old (some of them). The “Supreme Personality” himself is 14 years old.
    8. When you have sex with your partner, both of you must think of “the Supreme Personality” at all times.
    9. Contraceptives are very sinful.
    10. If you dont wake up at 4 am and brainwash yourself to hell, you are sinful.

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    • Thank you adsfafs for this great review. Sorry for belated reply, have been away from the internet. I hope you understand, I am not attacking any of the genuine HK believers, as they are just victims of this cult………although they do irritate me. I am really only about exposing the Truth and this happens to be a part of it.

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  21. Manu Wise

     /  June 21, 2014

    Most people who are reading this from both perspectives are a tad bit sensational in their biases. I will say this. If Hare Krsna or ISKCON is considered to be a cult, in the classic sense of what a cult is, the Gaudiya Vaishanava cult is old and dates back to India where it is primarily practiced to this day. However, from a Western perspective, I find it quite of a feat to practice the teachings of an ancient culture without some stumbling blocks along the way. If you know or have met most Indian families, they have different traditions from Westerners which would seem too extreme by most modern standards. I however realize that this is one faculty which separates us in understanding this culture from a spiritual platform. If you want to understand the teachings from a basis of practical application, first read Prabhupada’s books objectively and try to understand his spiritual teachings without being attached to ISKCON or Hare Krsna philosophy. These teachings are meant for those who want to apply these spiritual practices into their daily lives for improving their relationship with God. There are many sources of spiritual teachings you can read from India such as The Holy Science by Sri Yuketeswar and other teachings in the yoga system which may fit more with your understanding of God. One should have an open mind when applying any spiritual teachings as a foundation to their life. I studied with the devotees and am aware of the eugenics program established by the white supremacists or Jewish Global Elite. All I can say is this: If the HK movement is indeed linked with this faction, present more information on a scholarly level that will prove this, otherwise it seems you are basing your attacks from a bad experience which is not fair to other people who have practiced these teachings and they work fairly well for that person. We are all individuals, so the worst thing you can do is discredit someone for what gives them happiness. There are many religious teachings which if you read them, basically have the same message. You can take from each of them a sincerity and purpose before ridiculing anyone on a particular path. And I say this because I have studied with the Krsnas and I build on other teachings as well and I haven’t sipped any red Kool Aid. I use my intelligence and discern what works for my spiritual path without clinging to everything someone says or reads from a book.

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    • Thank you Manu, you make some good points. But you really do not sound Jew-wise. Unless one truly understands how International Jewry works, one will never see the bigger picture.

      Thank you for contributing.

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      • Manu Wise

         /  July 16, 2014

        Protocols of Zion. Most of what they call Jews are really Khazars or Akenazi’s….The same ones that control international banking, Vatican CIty…Synagogues of Satan, the TRUE Demonic force that runs the globe……

      • Hi
        I have spent the whole evening reading the comments. English is not my first language so what I am goin to say might not be accurate on what I have in my mind. I am not a true devotee but I do listen to srila prabhupad lectures online. I find he is a wise man who teach simple living and higher thinking thar this material world is not our real home and full of misery whether you are rich or poor, the suffering is there which I believe its true statement and the real disease we are facing is birth, old age, disease and death which we cant run away from.

        When u address cult, do u mean his movement ( krsna consciousness ) or srila prabhupad personally? Srila prabhupad mentioned all people in this krsna consciousness is diseased or sick and temples like the hospitals, do you agree with this statement or you think we better off without a guidance? I am not against your beliefs and I met the hare krsna devotee after being vegan 7 years ago. Am not a perfect person but I have great respect on srila prabhupad but am not so sure about other gurus. Please forgive me lord krsna if I offended your beings. And please forgive me if I offended you. Tq. Hare krsna.

      • Nobody is offended here. Please begin to do some independent research yourself. Look at all the links and reflect on the level of mind control within the HKs. I accept there is much mind control outside of the HK in society, but this does not mean we should accept the HK as the answer. I feel the seed may have been set for you to re-look at the HK now more objectively.

        Good luck with your research and spiritual journey.

  22. Authentic Vaishnava From India

     /  July 22, 2014

    Digger, you claim that the Hare Krishnas were created by Jews but have provided no evidence as such. I believe that it is possible but need to see evidence. Where and what is your evidence?

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    • Valid point! My claim is from studying International Jewry, knowing how they work and what foundations they form. I promise you; if you study the shenanigans of International Jewry then it will be crystal clear. I accept this answer is insufficient; but please become jew-wise and all will be so obvious. I did have some links at one time directly to the funding of the Krishna (before I wrote this essay), but I can’t seem to source them now. Please do your own research with the HK and IJ.

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  23. Authentic Vaishnava From India

     /  July 23, 2014

    I’ve done the research and found no clear link, at all. I am familiar with with “shenanigans of International Jewry” and it is not “crystal clear”. If you are going to make such a claim then you need hard evidence to back it up.

    Moreover your claim that ISKCON is linked with Brahma Kumaris is also unfounded. An individual Hare Krishna member that you have personally met may be linked, but there is absolutely no organizational link and the philosophies of the two religions are at odds with one another.

    ISKCON was born from the Gaudiya Math, not Jewry.

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    • The ‘hard evidence’ is all around you if you bother to look. IJ is running the whole show. That is all one needs to know. Your lovely HK set up is ‘allowed by IJ’. I can assure you, if it wasn’t playing it’s role – it would not be allowed. It would attacked all the time in the media. As Islam is. Or the gun lobbyists, or natural health whatever. Anything which does not fit International Jewry’s agenda is demonised and attacked. The role of the HK is to ensure ‘potential’ people do absolutely nothing about this jewish agenda. It is blatant in HK and similar spiritual paths. Just meditate, say nice words and do NOTHING to resist. Perfect for the Jews.

      Yes, however I concede that I can’t actually say the Brahma Kamaras are linked as far as subsidiary groups. But there seems to be quite a connection at several events I attended.

      I have some lovely Hk people. I am not knocking the individuals. They well-meaning, spiritually based people with really good intent. It’s just the mind control and governing body as usual.

      Respectfully we will have to agree to disagree.

      Thank you for contributing and being respectful, even though you strongly disagree with me.

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  24. Sreedar

     /  July 27, 2014

    I really think you have a very biased view of Hare Krishna community.
    I am a Hare Krishna, and I never ever felt forced in any way by anyone. I have done what I think is right for me all my life. I am married, have 2 children, and even engage in all the worldly materialistic things. Yes of course I don’t do things like eating meat or drinking or smoking – which I gave up even before I joined Hare Krishna, It just makes right sense to do so. One has to do what one thinks is right for oneself, and never let anyone tell/force you to do things.

    I don’t know about others, but basically, I feel safest in the community. All I got outside was pain – this is my experience. Even though, I am fairly successful man, living the American dream.. er.. almost. (but still frugal, every dollar I have has a purpose).

    While I do charity work, its nothing like even 2% of my income, let alone 50% – I am not ashamed to say, but – like I said, every $ I have has a purpose and its doing what it is supposed to do.. kids college education, insurance, the list goes on and on..But I do what I sensibly can. After all, judgement is mine.

    That is to address your concerns, I’m certainly not validating myself – The biggest and best gift Hare Krishna has given me – is to be completely satisfied in where and what I am. Sure, there are some wishes like “I wish I was closer to my extended family” or “I wish I had more time to spend with my boys” etc.. but, I am at the present moment, completely enjoying what I do. I have a special connection which rings me from inside, and joy overflows, even in the most difficult situations. Basically in my understanding, that’s the end result of study of any religion. To reach a mental status which just lets you live the moment. All the “forget, forgive, charity..” that’s all a means to reach that state. When you reach there, you live by giving, and get more joy by service. I barely feel it, but now I understand it.. If continue to I practice this, I will truly know this.

    A recent tale – I just found out – my boss, who I have been reporting to – has been sitting on a appraisal that he was supposed to revise and give a promotion to me – for over a year. No promotion, no raise for 2 years, nothing. Just been sitting in his worklist queue for over a year! He called me day before yesterday – and asked me “Why have you sent 2012-2013 appraisal instead of 203-2014? What would one say?
    Enraging? yes, sure. Was I affected? sure, absolutely. I was raving mad. But the thing is, after blowing some steam, I quickly regained my balance. I realized quickly – bigger and better things are awaiting me. I gained a better position in his eyes for taking it gracefully and blowing off some steam like a gentleman, but of course, this proves he is not worthy of my service. So the episode brought some clarity in me.
    This is but another small thing that just came along. I am always grounded – and this gives me immense amount of joy and I feel connected.
    If you really see, the same philosophy is being preached in many forms – be here, now. forget the past, forgive, don’t brood over the future, just do your part and things will somehow work out. And be thankful, joy will overflow!

    Another one of the episodes, just fresh off the plate today.. we had a family vacation planned.. fully paid already. My son, being the teenager that he is, started throwing a large fit – he wont come.. and my wife being that person who will never give in, said she will cancel the entire thing – even if we forfeit the 4K that we paid, which was painfully saved. Of course the inevitable happened – we cancelled. Lucky for us (if we call that, barely) we lost close to a 1200 in this process. Hare Krishna are supposed to be disjoint from the world right? I am not. It hurt, but I recovered quickly. My son apologized for his ridiculous behavior – again peace prevails at home, Hare Krishna! I made him write a note – “I promise to pay you back $1200+ 16% interest (going credit card rate) as soon as finish my college and get a job.”
    I showed him the amortization – he has to pay $1800 in interest alone! Well, he has to realize it eventually what he did was a grave mistake right? (Of course, I plan to give it back to him + more for helping with his first house down pay, or perhaps a wedding gift, as any good father should)
    So, you see, we are all very much engaged in worldly life – being a Hare Krishna does not spare you from the pains of the world. We have to do all that.

    So what differentiates a Hare Krishna then? Here is the fundamental aspect. Being a Hare Krishna, I promise myself (and not anyone else) to study and do brain work. Truly try and understand whatever I study – and contemplate and apply what I learn. I have to broaden my mind, and place no limits on it. I will read Bhagawad Gita, Srimad Bhagawatam, and more – even other texts like the Holy bible or anything that would bring me clarity – no one asks me to listen to it blindly, I will understand the true meaning of it, and will take the help of the other learned people. That’s it in a nutshell. Even the chanting – is not mindless, believe me, it is a result of study and systematic deliberation.

    Anyways, I’m not here to convince you or convert you, let me be clear. Again, one has to do what one feels comfortable with. But, One should never ever, make quick conclusions without completely understanding the subject. And never underestimate the work of great people who gave their life to something bigger than themselves, the truly learned who spent their entire life in self questioning and introspection, trying to achieve perfect character in themselves.

    With Kind Regards,
    Sreedar
    Hare Krishna!
    May the Joy be with you!

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    • Thank you for sharing your positive experience with the HKs Sreedar.

      Thank you too for being very respectful.

      I am please you are benefiting. However with respect, I think it is a case of soma [Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World].

      You are correct, I am bias. I have personal experience knowing people involved in the HKs and this engaged me to begin looking into it. I think it is very negative for society, in for one main reason – it disengages potential energy to resist the crimes of International Jewry.

      But I know I will never be able to convince you your soma is unhealthy in the long run for you.

      Thank you for contributing

      God bless you.

      Digger

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  25. Indian Vaishnava

     /  July 27, 2014

    I see you deleted the comment rebutting your assertion that the HKs are connected with Brahma Kumaris and calling for evidence that ISKCON grew out of Jewry instead of the Gaudiya Math. ISKCON has a lot of problems and I would never recommend for anyone interested in Vaishnavism to join that organization, but Jewry it most certainly is not.

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    • No I didn’t delete it. If you look at my last post, I have stated I am not blogging regularly at present. I am not online at home, therefore can only get to the internet on occasions.

      I have responded the best I can, within the time limitations.

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  26. Indian Vaishnava

     /  August 5, 2014

    “The ‘hard evidence’ is all around you if you bother to look.”

    Where? If its all around you and me then please point it out.

    ” IJ is running the whole show.”

    Again, evidence please that IJ is running the whole ISKCON show.

    ” That is all one needs to know.”

    No its not. I need hard evidence.

    ” Your lovely HK set up is ‘allowed by IJ’.”

    First, HK is not “mine” and I do not think its “lovely”. Vaishnavism is lovely but I am not at all a fan of ISKCON and do not recommend anyone interested in Vaishnavism to join that organization.

    ” I can assure you, if it wasn’t playing it’s role – it would not be allowed. It would attacked all the time in the media. As Islam is. Or the gun lobbyists, or natural health whatever. ”

    Islam is one of the largest and most influential mainstream religions in the world. ISKCON is but a speck in the ocean compared with Islam, numerically. ISKCON is a small sub-branch of a larger Vaishnava religion but even the Vaishnava religion as a whole is not a major world religion numerically and in the West it still remains obscure and is by no means mainstream.

    ” I concede that I can’t actually say the Brahma Kamaras are linked as far as subsidiary groups. But there seems to be quite a connection at several events I attended.”

    Could you describe what happened at those several events that gave you the impression that ISKCON and Brahma Kumaris are connected?

    Thankyou for taking the time to read and answer.

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    • Thank you for response. But if can’t see this 360 judaic usurpation by now; then it ain’t even worth discussing. Enjoy your blue pill.

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  27. I have been a devotee for 28 years and have never had anything forced on me. I have also taken daily naps for 28 years. No sleep deprivation. I have also never specifically set out to preach to addicts. How could i determine by looking who was an addict and who wasnt? Of course we read “our gita” ..our founder who taught us Krishna conciousness translated it . Why is it strange that we would only read his version? I have also never used the mantra as a “pain killer”. I have endured the normal problems that everyone in the world does . The Hare Krishna chant doesnt rid us of the normal things that happen to all humans.no matter what religion you are we all endure similar things. Yes we have had some shady characters infiltrate and do bad things. We arent proud of that. Please also know that most of us work “normal jobs” these days and we may be your coworker. Yes it does say give 50 per cent of income . Ive never known anyone to do that and its never been enforced. You give what you can. If you cant give there is no pressure. We also have great vegetarian restaurants in most major cities. We are also accepted as bona fide by most hindus and scolars. We are not considered a cult. Thank you for your time. Hope this clears some things up. The best way to know is to visit a temple yourself.

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  28. Hi Digger,

    I just stumbled upon your interesting blog about Hare Krishna. The Hare Krishna movement is definitely a CULT. It is clearly mentioned in the Chaitanya Charitamrita written in the 16th century by Krishnadasa Kaviraja Goswami that the movement inaugurated by Shree Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is in fact a cult. The Chaitanya cult is non different from this Hare Krishna movement. However, in this regard the word cult represents ‘culture of knowledge’ rather than the modern concepts in society today. Here are some of them:

    ‘A system of religious or spiritual beliefs, especially an informal and transient belief system regarded by others as misguided, unorthodox, extremist, or false and directed by a charismatic, authoritarian leader.’

    ‘An extreme or excessive admiration for a person, philosophy of life, or activity.’

    ‘A self-identified group of people who share a narrowly defined interest or perspective on life. Something popular or fashionable among a devoted group of enthusiasts.’

    All of these descriptions may well be attributed to the Hare Krishna movement at different times during the past 37 years and this is mainly due to the spiritual immaturity of it’s leaders which include certain Sannyasis or Swamis, Temple Presidents and the Governing Body Commission who meets once a year in Mayapur, Bengal, India. Prior to this from 1965 to 1977 the Hare Krishna movement was personally overseen and led by its founder-acharya His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada who was a very elderly saintly Vaishnava devotee of Lord Krishna.

    Even then during the 1970s, the Hare Krishna’s were seen as a brainwashed cult of zombies by the media and some of the public. Yet the founder himself never complained about the use of these words like ‘cult’ or ‘brainwashed’. In fact he accepted these words for what they really mean and not what a degraded and materialistic ‘so called’ civilisation of animal killing morons misconstrue them to be.

    For your information (as a member of this organisation since the late 1970’s), I agree with all your points as some of our members have exhibited the qualities and activities of a ‘cult’. Some of these leaders have been ostracised from the institution and others are still low profile members. But to hold such a cynical view of this exceptional organisation and phenomena which is The International Society for Krishna Consciousness is extremely unfortunate. I have travelled all over India many times, speak in indian languages, shared cultural exchanges with Hindus who have grown up with and deeply respect the Bhagavad gita As It Is, written in the parampara system and speak on their behalf that your perception of Hare Krishna is a jaundiced and self opinionated one.

    We are all human and therefore mistakes, blunders and corruptions will enter the fray of any organisation. At least the ISKCON organisation has had the integrity and honesty to admit to those mistakes and will continue to admit to further mistakes that will undoubtably be made as to err is human. I fully support the Hare Krishna theology and especially uphold the purity of the Bhagavad Gita As It Is and not as it isn’t in so many editions.

    Thank you for giving me this opportunity Digger.

    Your friend and well wisher,

    Sakhyarasa Prema Dasa aka Steven John Hopkins.

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    • Execeptional organisation I highly disagree. Tis another form of mind control. To keep potential people from waking up and smelling the coffee and doing something about the Jewish NWO.

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  29. sexlives are not easy,goodluck with yours

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  30. We see what we want to see……HAre Krsna

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  31. All difficulties in understanding each others ideas stem from misunderstanding the self as the body instead of the soul. For those rare, intelligent persons, who understand that they are “souls” first and bodies secondarily-even if only intellectually at first- they achieve the platform where they no longer make any distinctions based on the temporary bodily platform. They identify with what is eternal. In other words, they do not see any difference between blacks and whites, this religion or that religion, this nation or that nation, women and men, husband and wife etc etc.and they certainly don’t waste their time arguing about it. This is the very basic abc, grade-kindergarden, beginning level of spiritual consciousness, no matter what group you belong to or not. Soul is soul. The common platform of all humanity, animals, all living beings, no matter what creed or religion, nor whatever limitless distinctions (duality) you wish to place on your consciousness-SOUL IS SOUL. The eternal ‘religion’ of the soul, is the universal ‘religion’. It is the highest form of thought.

    This consciousness cannot be legislated. Those who get it, get it, and those who don’t will get it in one lifetime or another. This basic understanding is at the root of Krsna Conscious philosophy and later, actual realization of the goal. All of the apparently extreme (renounciation) aspects of Bhakti Yoga (who’s method is many 10’s of thousands of years old) which the webmaster defines as “cult” etc., cannot be understood by someone stuck in grade kindergarden. 2+2 =4 in all grade levels, including the top most level of calculous. The man who cries cult, ironically ‘screams’ like a fanatic that, ” 2+2=4…. 2+2=4!…that is the whole truth and nothing else”. But the calculous man says, “yeah, 2+2=4 no problem, however, he knows that the the man stuck in kindergarden will never understand until he moves through grades 1-13 or whatever. So why argue with him?

    Let the ignorant man call what he cannot understand as a “cult”. He is simply stuck in kindergarden and doesn’t know it. His whole world is 2+2=4 only. He has not graduated even to grade 1, 2 or 3 let alone the level of calculous. That is his ignorance and pride. He thinks he understands but cannot.

    I have been an aspiring practitioner of the Bhakti ‘cult’ of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu for 18 years (in this life) and I am a registered nurse who worked in Psychiatric Nursing. There are countless millions of practitioners in West Bengal and other places within India and around the world. The truth is, there has not been a spiritual movement as important and authentic as the Bhakti ‘cult’ for a long long long long time. Those who somehow or other come in contact with this movement or even give it a small amount of their energy, are the most fortunate persons in the whole world, what to speak of those who understand it to one extent or the other. Souls come in all sorts of shapes and sizes. One size does not fit all. There are many grade levels in spiritual life.

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    • Agree with the soul. But absolutely know the HC cult is serving the jewish agenda.

      Thank you anyhow for being respectful in putting forth your point of view.

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      • Jordan

         /  March 1, 2015

        There is a 0% percent chance of that actually being true. Digger you have made many criticisms of ISKCON in which you portrayed their positive actions towards the members as being negative. You do not understand “Brave New World” by Aldous Huxley so I do not see the point of you bringing the novel up. If you were to read the “Island” by Aldous Huxley which was written to show individuals what an ideal Utopia would be you would witness a Utopia where individuals partake in consuming Soma and worshipping Lord Shiva. What ISKCON itself is doing is creating a Utopia for individuals through worship of Krishna. Soma itself is a juice from the stem of a plant which was used for coming closer to God, you speak of consuming Soma as if it were a negative action. If you are to look at the world clearly you have to abandon the mentality of paranoia as it is unhealthy for an individuals mentality.

      • Absolutely I portray ISKCON in a negative light!

        And are honestly suggesting the BNW scenario consuming SOMA is fine!!?? If so, we have nothing more to debate.

        ISKCON is not creating a utopia, it is ‘another’ mind control cult…….it’s just you have chosen not to see it through cognitive dissonance.

        And I do not believe in God either. So we are at odds on that area too.

  32. Russell Malai

     /  March 1, 2015

    Like your style Digger. I also am a former HK, not that is of consequence here, but I would like to share my observations about Yehudis.
    When I joined the HK movement in 1983 I noticed that Yehudis were way over-represented in the structure of the movement. Not only were they in the GBC (Governing Body Committee) but also the first zonal acharyas (Gurus) were majority Yehudis. I also personally had friendships with many preachers…who were Yehudis. It would be interesting to compile a list. Some statistics about the founders and enablers of the HK movement.
    I am struggling with this question and my conclusion is that it is not a NWO directive from outside, but that there is something in the “makeup” of Yehudis which attract them to Internationalist movements like Marxism, Communism and …Hare Krishna. The answer of course is individual survival. Yehudis can survive in some societies better than others.
    Srila Prabhupada himself said that HK was “Spritual Communism” many times.
    Another factor is that Yehudis through thousands of years of selective breeding, and social evolution, are extraordinarily smart. They are superior to their host societies when it comes to learning languages, blending in, and just being …..smart.
    The only way anybody can stand up to the Yehudis is with force, with pogroms and other violent measures to limit their power. So usually when there is a mixed organization like HK, then the Yehudis very quickly become prominent. Indeed they are great public speakers, have great memory to remember scripture and being able to quote it. And of course they have great sense of humour (look at 20th century comedy) 😉
    So my conclusion is that yes Yehudis will jump at the opportunities a philosophy like HK offers, but this is an uncontrolled, unorganized effort.
    But I suspect this is happening on a global scale, that as a form of self-preservation, Yehudis seem to be prominent in all kinds of parasitic behaviour which causes an eventual conflict of interest with the hosts, but it is more or less individual, and casually melds into an apparent conspiracy or NWO. Even the Rothschilds, are sitting on a huge banking system mainly out of self-preservation for themselves and their families, and at the same time they are helping out World Jewry whenever practicable.
    Sort of like a band of thieves will cooperate nicely to achieve a heist, but their alliance is basically selfish. Of course they will help each other and provide a leg-up when needed.

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  33. Jordan

     /  March 6, 2015

    Digger do you even understand what mind control is? I still do not understand the problem you have with Soma, in all Vedic literature and in “Brave New World” by Aldous Huxley it is seen as beneficial but for some reason you have a problem with it. You liken to everything as mind control. ISKCON is not a mind control cult and you do not understand what mind control is.

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    • We are diametric sides Jordan. Soma is to create passivity. ISKON likewise. You lot are doing absolutely nothing to stand up to Jewish perfidy …..as by design.

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  34. Krishna prema prada das

     /  March 13, 2015

    I have been an iskcon member for 30 years. I was never sheltered from “worldly events”. I also wasnt isolated. As you said “we are in inner cities”. We go out in the city preaching..so no i was never isolated. Hard to be isolated in a big city. Yes we only read our gita. Whats wrong with that? No i dont have sex and im fine with it. I would rather use my intelligence. Im also far from “pacified”. Last but not least. Your article has incorrect info as well as an INCORRECT name for our leader. Are you sure you are talking about ISKCON devotees?

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    • Yes def ISKCON. If you are not pacified; then what exactly are you doing to stand up to Jewish perfidy?

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      • Rajesh

         /  March 23, 2015

        Hi digger glad to know that u are a vagetarenian and u Care a lot for society
        Let me ask you a simple question do you believe that you are a soul? If so don’t you do which suits the soul and which feeds the soul. In our short life span we should give more importance to feed ourselves that is the soul.so whatever PRABHUPADA said it is for the benefit of the soul mainly. ISKCON follows BHAKTI YOGA highest and easiest as confirmed by Lord Krishna . So if we want a rapid spiritual growth we should follow Bhakti yoga if we cant we should follow Karma yoga. So giving a less concern to worldly matters is not a big issue as it matters little to the soul. That’s the main reason we give more importance to KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS.And about leaving ISKCON – only those who can’t understand the deep philosophy of ISKCON and who can’t control senses giveup ISKCON it’s their mistake

      • With respect, you have been had.

  35. Sunil

     /  March 25, 2015

    I have to laugh, because I am a HK and my background is Indian. All that you said is speculation and no more. I love my faith, I am free to live my life, I follow what I can and what I can not do, I don’t do and have never been pushed to. I have been a devotees since the 1970’s as a young boy my father took me to the temple.

    My family being “Hindus”, taught me about Krishna and Sri Rama, so when I met the devotees I understood what they were saying. As to your assertions:

    1/. Disengaged
    I am very engaged in politics. All I have been told is not to use the organisations name and involve them in my political life. I am very aware of social justice issues and what is happening around me. ln fact the lectures at temples have made me aware of injustices and inspired me to do something, other then just chant :p.

    2/. Isolation
    I have always met people from all walks of life, countries and “race”. I am more aware of the fact that we are all the same ultimately and our separation is due to false identification with things like country, colour, body, etc. At the end of the day we are all connect through Krishna/God, so we are spiritually God brothers and sisters. There is no point in hating anyone.

    3/. Sleep deprivation
    We get up early to attend Arti, this my family has done also in India, well before ISKCON even come into existence. Because we know about the timings for prayers, etc. depend on the various cycles during the day. We get up early to greet Krishna. No one forced me and no one told me to not sleep. Each according to their ability and needs.

    4/. Insulated information
    I read papers, listen to news and watch tv, so I know what is going on and when lectures take place I can question what is being said. Devotees who lecture can be questioned and if they are incorrect we can say so. So what insulation?

    5/. Austerity & Charity
    Is this not good? We give what we can and if we can not then we can not. I have given and received. You do not have to be a member of the movement to even receive a meal. It is all free. NOT TOO DIFFERENT TO HOW MANY HINDU TEMPLES IN INDIA ARE RUN.

    6/. Association
    They associate themselves with the Brahma Kamaris group.
    LOL very funny .. we do not associate ourselves with the above group because their philosophy is different to ours. I have never attended their classes BUT I have friends who follow them and I respect their choice even if I do not agree with what they follow.

    7/. No Nooky
    Are Catholics a cult because “nooky” is only for having children? In fact are Christians a cult? Because the Bible says similar. Krishna has said that sex is for having children. What you are saying is marriage is for sex and fun, let us abort babies if they are unwanted?

    8/. Hooks
    I have never been hooked by ISKCON, I am well aware of things and of myself.

    9/. Positioning
    We like many religious institution are in the cities and elsewhere. Because where the need is we go. We even are close to churches in the area. So are the churches also positioning themselves? I also hear churches help people who are down and out, so they are a cult too.

    10/. Fishing
    Does the Bible not say to fish for souls? We are here to help people to get to know Krishna. As is written one in a million will turn to Krishna, it is a rare soul that surrenders. So that means we are not allowed to force anyone into the faith. It is free will that God gave us all, people hear, evaluate and then decide. If you do not want to know Krishna you do not have to.

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    • Good on you Sunil………but you are rare exception.

      Sorry, but I think you are still mind controlled, if you believe that nonsense. Please see the difference between me attacking YOU and highlighting what I see within all cults. I am not attacking you.

      Thanks for commenting.

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      • Sunil

         /  March 27, 2015

        You would think that to protect your position. What you have said can be applied to Christianity and Islam too. I will say that you need to get to know before you accuse. You do not know me and my personal relationship with Krishna. I am aware of my faith, culture and history.

      • I agree Sunil, it can almost be applied to Christianity and Islam – all mind control projects by this beast. Of course I do not know you, but I can still have an objective perspective. It is not personal Sunil – it is just my observation. Whether I am right or wrong.

        Wish you well.

  36. Jordan

     /  March 28, 2015

    Digger no one is mind controlled nor is anyone else mind controlled, the only nonsense is the assertions you keep making which have no basis.

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  37. freedomveg

     /  April 28, 2015

    Hm this Article explains better why you reached your Conclusion about them being a Cult and i must say it does make Sence 2me

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  38. olivia

     /  May 8, 2015

    Just curious, where are you getting your evidence from? Have you engaged in the Krsna Conscious Community? Did you participate in the one minute long sex that involved chanting? These seem like assertions with no back up.

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    • Partly assertions, party observations of centers, people I know who became involved and enough experiential evidence. It’s more of the mas mind control.

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  39. Kathy

     /  May 25, 2015

    I can so relate to you. I think the difference of opinion is relating to Temple devotees as opposed to Householders. There is a very vast difference. I was a Temple devotee which means I lived in the temple. And yes living in the temple is everything you wrote. First of all the food is very unhealthy. There are dietary restrictions of onions, mushrooms, garlic and any kind of hot peppers. All the things that make you healthy. We were allowed only 6 hours of sleep a night. They told us that it is lazy to sleep anymore than this. But in reality, most of us got even less sleep than this as we were working until 11Pm or 12 AM at night. We were also overworked. If we were not in the temple or performing ceremonies, we were working. We were also discouraged from talking too much amongst ourselves or even studying the books of the Hare Krishna faith too much. They wanted us to only listen to what they were telling us in class. That is another thing. We would arrive in the temple at 4:30 AM and listen go to a very hypnotic song and dance session. Right after this we would chant for about an hour. Then right after this we would have morning class. This order served a very important function for mind control. They kept us weak, overworked, and in a state of sleep devripration (sorry can’t spell LOL) then they created a semi-hypnotic state with the song and dancing and then the chanting. This way our minds were open for suggestion for the morning class. We were forbidden from having sex or any kind of conduct that was sexual in nature. Men and women were kept separate from each other as much as possible and we were discouraged from talking too much with each other. They told us the thing about losing life force if we have sex, but science has refuted this. It is very important for health and well-being to have regular sexual contact. We were told if we did all these things that Krishna would make us feel ecstasy all the time, but in reality Temple devotees are a miserable and unhappy lot. For those living in the temple, it is a true cult. If you do not live in the Temple, you are considered a Householder and can live your life as you see fit. There is a vast difference.

    Kathy

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  40. Kathy

     /  May 26, 2015

    Also, we were kept completely isolated from the world, Unless we were on Hare Nam (dancing in the streets or selling books) we never left the Temple grounds. Those living in the Temple are not allowed to watch television, listen to the radio, or even read anything that wasn’t Hare Krishna material. The Temple President had the only television. They said it was because they had to know if there was an emergency. The Temple President told us they would tell us anything we need to know about the world. We were even discouraged from having much to do with our families.

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    • Well done Kathy for being brave enough to express this.

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    • Sunil

       /  June 11, 2015

      My experience has been different and the temples, farms, etc I have been to stayed at were and are welcoming and no one forces anyone. We do say say sex outside of marriage is not good. Many faiths say the same.

      With regards to being overworked etc. some temple presidents are exploitive and you can write to the GBC and they will be investigated. Only once I came across someone who abused their position, they were investigated and asked to step down. The whole congregation said no to the TP.

      Also each temple is run independently, in that the TP sets the guidelines to suite the conditions of the locality, laws of the land etc. If things are not right then people have the right to complain and fill in a form, that is how we have things set up where I am.

      Also as an Indian I remember waking up early, showering and then going to morning Kirtan, at home with my family. It was very enlivening and made me feel at peace. If you are exploited you will not be able to enjoy the kirtan or even want to love God. People are imperfect and make mistakes, some are exploitive people. We have people from all walks of life who bring their baggage with them, that’s life. That is why we try to love Krishna and ask for His help. We are meant to question those who give spiritual guidance and have knowledge to question them. That is what checks and balances are, I have pulled up people lecturing and questioned what they said. In that way we all learn and yes my correction at a lecture was accepted more then once. If you follow blindly then rascals get away with things.

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  41. Hosfac

     /  June 7, 2015

    As I know several practitioners, I can say that your analysis is highly flawed, primarily because the core religion doesn’t believe anything you’ve listed. Yes, there HAVE been people who have taken advantage of people by twisting the beliefs into something that suited their purposes, but no religion is immune to that. Historically, Christianity has been far more prone to such abuses: Branch Davidians, the Manson Family, faith healers, snake handlers, prosperity churches…I could go on for days.

    Hare Krishna is a fully accepted sect of the Hindu religion. The truth is actual followers of the teachings of Krishna are just regular people, and lumping them together with the abusers is no different than thinking all Christians are like the members of the Westboro Baptist Church (but to be honest, such a statement would be closer to being correct than this blog entry is).

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  42. Srividhya. R

     /  June 14, 2015

    Dear Digger,
    I respect your view, but that’s not true! If you really like challenges… I have a suggestion for you. Please do practice Krishna Consciousness for a year’s time and then write a blog about Krishna Consciousness. One can’t describe the taste of sugar without having it. My humble invitation for you to “Experience the taste of the Krishna Consciousness nectar”.

    Hare Krishna!!!
    Hari Bol !!!

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  43. Ananga

     /  June 20, 2015

    Hi, Im so sorry for you if you are not hinaf qualified (it seams you never being in INDIA and for sure you dont know that since more than 5000 years in India and all over the world , qualified succession Saints ,Monks teachs Veda scriptures , it is an old and highly respected knowledge so you must feel shame regarding spead what you wrote …..) to understand Krishna Consciousness but i want to make you aware that in this way you are offending and blasfeming (pls read carefully http://www.krishna.com/regard-devotees-lord ) We, devotees of the Lord we may be not perfect and we probably have to learn a lot more but we are for sure very dear to Lord ,Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead and as HE said in HIS teaching HE will not be agree when you talk nonsense about HIM but he is EVEN MORE not agree when ignorant people talk nonsense about and against HIS dear DEVOTEES…. so doing this bad propaganda its very bad karma for yourseld and i hope one day u ll understand and ask sorry.wish u blessings.Ananga

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  44. HUH

     /  June 26, 2015

    Hey Digger, what about the ”meat eating” ”sex” in ISCKON as ive read it is forbidden. But then i ask myself in an religion like Muslim doesnt forbid this. So im am then very confused
    because i believe in one god. Can you clear it for me. Sorry for my bad english.

    I have also read that it is a sin of you eat meat, or have sex, or gamble, or drink alcohol you will get to hell.

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    • There is no hell……..so please rid yourself of this construct.

      Sex is a beautiful thing if it is shared between two loving people. Sex is to be enjoyed, it not purely for reproduction. As long as one does not abuse the sexual act and sleep around or include perversion. If it is in a natural context sex should be cherished. No guilt trip for having clean healthy sex.

      I would suggest move as far away from ANY religious teachings. Adhere to natural law, to shemanic/Gnostic laws.

      as for meat, the way it is produced and the insane mass-produced slaughter houses are very wrong and starving/polluting our souls. I am not a vegetarian, as I eat some locally caught fish. Adhering to a plant based diet is healthier for us physically and for our spirit.

      Hope that helps.

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      • HUH

         /  July 1, 2015

        thanks for your reply sir. I have another question, do you know something about the Garuda Purana? in this book everything is written about the afterlife etc. i’ve read some very scary things like people will come and get you and drag you to hell etc. And things like only hare krishna mantra can free you from your sins.

        And for the Bhagavad gita i know the hare krishnas promote their one translated by Prahbupada but wat is the difference between this one and another written by someonelse.
        The harekrishnas always say read only their books and not others like veda’s that suspicious for me.

        Thanks.

      • I can’t claim to know much about the Puranas. Some good stuff in them here n there. from what I gather, the Krishnas version of the B-Gita has been doctured to suit their mind control. Hence they insist on ‘their version’. Sorry for being non-specific. Please do your own research.

        Thanks for commenting.

  45. tejal

     /  July 17, 2015

    awesome reply to these idiots.

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  46. Dharma-bir das

     /  July 26, 2015

    Hare Krishna devotees are in various professions. They are not “disengaged” or isolated. I am a householder devotee. I completely disagree to the above post.

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  47. Reasons I think the modern world is a cult:
    DISENGAGED
    People these days are disengaged from their duties and families, but most importantly with themselves.
    People are so involved in politics, news, entertainment, busy engaging in satisfying their desires and senses that they are losing touch with themselves.
    People are adopting lifestyles and beliefs that are being so nicely feed by the media/TV, magazines…
    When is the time for them so step from these things for just a moment and think… “Why do I care about these politics, this sportsman, this actor.. Why do I care? What about my life? This life is surely going to end in death, so shouldn’t I prepare for that?”

    ISOLATION
    It’s the known truth that gadgets, phones, are creating distances between people, family..
    Divorced men and women isolated from their families… Children, mentally isolated from their families ( thanks to divorces) etc. Etc.

    SLEEP DEPRIVATION
    The modern lifestyle of partying all night and going to bed at 3am and wake up at 2pm is absolutely normal? Sleep deprivation is rampant esp in the USA and no, there are not Hare Krishnas.

    INFORMATION
    Information in the modern world is obtained by various modes, from various people, resulting in varied information.
    Beliefs are varied and no one is agrees to come to one decision, therefore leading to fights, tensions between people.
    In vaishnavism, we accept one truth, the absolute truth, given in the Vedas, spoken by God and his disciples, there’s no alteration, no adulteration, no assumptions, no false proposals.

    MONEY
    People are greedy for money, they want to earn and earn and save it, but what for? How long are you going to enjoy?
    At the time if death, even if you’re on a yatch in a pool of cash, its not going to make you happy .. Nor satisfied.
    ( You criticize those who ask for charity, but let me remind you, the money you have is not yours. It belongs to God, so they use it for God, the rightful owner.
    Money doesn’t stay at one place for too long, one moment you might be rich, but the next moment you can become a pauper.)

    ASSOCIATION
    With prostitutes,pimps, cheats and superficial fakers.
    Great company!

    SEX
    Modern world considers SEX so normal that teenagers are already fathers or mothers. It’s so normal that is shown ask over the media and when your cheating wife has sex with another man, it’s normal?
    (Sex is the strongest force that binds men to this material world, thus they are forever stuck in the miserable cycle of birth and death)

    HOOKS
    Drugs, alcohol, porn… They are taking you away from the realities of the world. All in the name of “normality”.
    It’s not! Drugs, alcohol, porn, NOT normally seen in nature.. These are all produced by men, deluded men (humans)

    POSITIONING
    In all the accessing places.. Porn on all phones and computers, drugs and alcohol on every corner of the street! Basically, everywhere.

    FISHING
    Modern world claims that they respect everyone’s believes and ” respect ” it.. But as soon as there’s a mention of God and religion, they call it “old fashioned” “for the mentally weak” “for the unintelligent” and fish them OUT from seeking spiritual wisdom by posting unnecessary and moronic posts full of negativity and hatred that target against those seeking for truth that’s beyond the material realm.

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  48. Cathryn

     /  August 12, 2015

    Its not a cult. You’re silly to think it is. Most of the other Bhagavad Gita’s were leaving out the fundamental teachings of Lord Krishna himself and giving credit to the “Gurus” instead of Lord Krishna. Swami Prabhupada wrote As It Is so people can understand it AS IT IS, As Lord Krishna spoke it.
    And for the Mantras, that’s what true spiritual bliss feels like. You feel Krishnas love whenever you speak/sing it.
    The knowledge this society has to offer is beautiful. And it makes ALOT of sense, as well.

    About a year ago I experienced a loss in my life that ripped my whole world out of balance.
    I was beyond depress, beyond suicidal. Didn’t care about anything and anyone. Just wanted my pain and suffering to end. I wanted to cease from existence. One day I was laying on my bed, thinking of everything that went wrong in my life, thinking about my friends suicide, thinking about every negative thing that I ever did. My mind wouldn’t stop racing on those thoughts. My eyes were moving around my whole room just thinking and thinking and racing and thinking. And then I took a glace over at my dresser and there was The Science Of Self Realization. I couldn’t take my eyes off of it. The book started shimmering. All my worries and suicidual thoughts escaped me. And then I heard a voice out of nowhere say “Come.” So I picked up that book!
    I was on and off of the books for awhile. And let me tell you, whenever I wasn’t reading my terrible feeling came back. And whenever I’d start again, I felt a bliss that I couldn’t explain. And just so you know, before all that happend, I never met up with the Hare Krishna people. Only until recently. So if that doesn’t show you the true power of Krishna, I’m not sure what will.
    Blessings to you 🙂

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    • I do not doubt C you are getting the feel-good-factor with the HK material. But it is your soma. You are being somaized by this material. Your plaster/drug/happy pill to take your pain away. The Hks will NEVER deal with the real issues in the world. That’s why the jews ‘allow’ it – and have set it up in the first place.

      Blessings to you.

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      • Dear Mr. Digger,
        If you are “digging” for the truth badly.. If you are REALLY digging, you could travel the 3 worlds in search of the truth, but if you open up your heart (forget having to ridicule and judge everything religious), you’ll return to Krishna consciousness..
        Anyway, I just wanted to know what according to you are the “REAL” issues of the world? And what’s wrong in the fact that Hare Krishnas are trying to stay away from worldly material affairs?
        You know, maybe, that contributes to the fact that they are truely happy!

      • Don’t need to travel the 3 worlds A to get the Truth. Why would I not judge Religion …….when religion (mind control) is so pervasive to society(?) Why would I want to turn to KC for more mind control(?). The ‘Real’ issues are the jewish usurpation of the world – and the fact that you need that pointing that out, when it is so damn obvious these days, shows how deluded you are – the exact purpose of religion and KC.

        And what’s wrong in the fact that Hare Krishnas are trying to stay away from worldly material affairs? A: Because we need to be in this world to see the world’s problems. The HKs are in a trance-like state, deluded and most are of an arrested development mindset. Smile, take your soma, dance and be happy – don’t face the music, don’t face the shit what is going on in this ‘real’ world. Nothing wrong being happy apexexo – but willfully ignorant with a big smile on one’s face is childish and toxic for society.

  49. David

     /  September 4, 2015

    Actually I don’t agree with any of your 10 reasons. I was always told this:

    The beauty of Krishna consciousness is that you can take as much as you’re ready for. Krishna Himself promises in the Bhagavad-Gita chapter 2, text 40:

    “In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution, and a little advancement on this path can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear.” -BG 2:40

    No one is making you do anything. If you decide to, little by little, you can bring Krishna Consciousness into your daily life. It’s all free will. No one is forcing anyone to do anything.

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  50. An interesting article here which relates this analysis to current events in Europe: Leading ISKCON Guru Sivarama Swami cheers on rape invaders: http://liberphile.com/2015/10/24/leading-iskcon-guru-sivarma-swami-cheers-on-rape-invaders/

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  51. Thank you for writing this blog, I too have seriously been considering writing a book and a blog about my experience within ISKCON. For many years I’ve kept quiet to protect my husband, thinking it to be my duty to stand by him no matter what. But there comes a time in every women’s life when you assess your situation and ask yourself whether these are the kind of morals your parents raised you with, to put aside your own dignity and self respect for a person who abuses your good nature and a society that does not have your best interest at heart. I came to the point where I felt I had to take the risk of speaking out to help protect other ladies that may find themselves in a similar situation and tried everything I could to make a change or at the very least try to show others that we need a change. To stand alone is very difficult, but together we can make an impact, however despite my efforts I was constantly silenced and insulted for having an opinion. It is time the world knew who the Hare Krishnas truly are and what really goes on inside the movement. It is time we spoke out and that these persons are brought to justice. We have been mistreated, abused, raped, thrown out on the street, neglected, shunned, attacked verbally and physically that has left mental scars that are beyond repair. No person should get away with such unbelievable misconduct, it is time the tables are turned. It is time Justice prevails, the meek shall inherit the earth, the time is up for wolves posing in sheep clothing. We are not alone, the world needs to hear our story!

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    • Thank you for commenting. Sorry to hear your experience.

      My feelings now are there is no point now focusing our energy on any one of the symptoms such as the HKs, or any cult, or individual problems. We don’t have time now. We have to work on the root cause — International Jewry.

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  52. manifestpeace

     /  January 3, 2016

    If you become a monk, you will take vows. Some vows will forbid sex, some will require a life of poverty, other vows state that you must to never leave the monastery/hermitage, so on and so forth. Furthermore, Most people become monks IN ORDER to leave behind wordly affairs. If you become a monk, you are expected to devote every aspect of yourself to your faith. This is easier to accomplish when you are surrounded by like minded people. As far as money, most monks give ALL of their money and possessions to the monastery they are joining. This is common in Christian, Buddhist, and Hindu monasticism. If you are a monk, you are expected to wake hours before sunrise to begin your prayers, this is common across ALL monastic traditions. in fact, some traditions operate of religious time schedules. For example, most Byzantine Orthodox Monestaries operate on Byzantine Time regardless of one’s location, which may mean starting the day at 2:00 am and going to bed at 8 pm.

    Now replace monk with Hare Krishna’s, who are initiated (ordained, take vows) in ISKON.

    Personally, I believe they are very similar to a cult. But, then again so are most religions. However, I find your argument to be weak because you claim that many of the traditional values and principles of monasticism have no place in a religious community, which is clearly absurd. On another note, I was given a Baghavad Gita As it Is by a Hare Krishna, and he made no attempt to convert me or anything of that nature.

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    • Well he did have intent to convert you – that’s why you were given ‘their version’ of the Gita.

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  53. Mario Pineles

     /  January 28, 2016

    You have no real knowlege what is going on in Hare Krishna movement. All your opinar dont actually means anything, speacially when You speack about AC Bhaktivedant Swami.

    Good Luck man You will need it.

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  54. Johnson William

     /  February 10, 2016

    Thanks digger for a wonderful blog, keep it up. I will need some time to go through all the comments but just on sentence caught my attention here it is for…
    DD
    Also, according to Ayurveda, your sexual energy is like your life force(spiritual energy), the more you use it, the weaker your life force becomes.

    So you are saying the more spiritual energy one uses the weaker he/she gets spiritually? Aren’t you contradicting yourself?

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    • Thank you Johnson,

      As for this comment. Firstly i don’t claim to be knowledgeable on these subjects. I ain’t no spiritual guru :-). But I have heard that if one expends sexual energy in the wrong way (abuse, over-sexed, unnatural sex, etc) then this burns up our life force energy.I am sorry if I did not explain this carefully. Or I have misinterpreted this notion.

      Thank you for commenting.

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  55. ricky

     /  February 12, 2016

    Don’t Trust someone who can’t spell the beatles

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  56. vipul

     /  April 2, 2016

    Digger.. you are a mother fucker

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  57. Sam

     /  April 15, 2016

    This is all true – I grew up around them, they’re extremists and should be recognized as a terrorist group because they harm the individuals life and mind. Shut them down , jail them, the government needs to step in and rid them from countries.

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    • The government!?? Are you kidding Sam?? You have no understanding how this agenda works……’the government’ – all governments are jew-controlled. With respect Sam, you have a long way to go on your Truth journey.

      Hope this helps:
      https://diggerfortruth.wordpress.com/2012/04/03/741/

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      • Elena Romanoff

         /  April 25, 2016

        Blavatsky is to blame for hare Krishnas as they are today. yes it is Wejes created entity. Those true yogis in Indian villages that meditate on Krishna are socially passive and will not go around recruiting people-they don’t give a damn.

        Sent from Outlook

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  58. anon_ss

     /  May 13, 2016

    As someone who was once involved with ISKCON during my college years, I can agree with pretty much everything the OP has said… except for its supposed connection with Zionism. I agree that both are extremely dangerous to follow, but I just don’t see how ISKCON has anything to do with Zionism – perhaps the OP is biased towards this particular theory (no offense)?

    Again though, I agree with everything else mentioned about the ISKCON organization being a cult.

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  59. George Duncan Hanover

     /  May 18, 2016

    Somehow I knew this was an anti-Semitic fool’s ravings when I saw the word “they” in italics.

    But you yourself were stupid enough to comment: “However I am also aware of the eugenics programme by the Jewish criminal network, which is documented by the Jewish criminals themselves. Please see “The Protocols of learned Elders of Zion” and “Agenda 21” programme. These are NOT conspiracy theories!”

    Your assertion that your gibberish is not conspiracy theory is not only sad, it is an evil lie. Proto-Nazism and eugenics date back to the late 19th century in America, with an explosion of the ideals in the 1920s. It is widely understood that Hitler got his ideas from the American movements.

    What I personally despise most is the common, cultlike hatred of Jews. And the cowardice not to say it up front in your main page. Sickening and shameful. May HaShem illuminate you.

    ‘אמונה בה
    Faith in the L-rd

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    • Ha ha ha You jews don’t like it when the Light is shone on your evil and deception do you. Notice the word Lord you have conveniently altered; just like when u you spell G-d. You truly are the devils children. Your game is up now – the people are awakening.

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  60. Hi. I was born a Hare Krishna and raised as one all my life. But I am an atheist. Closeted though. I don’t believe in a god, or any guiding force. I think thats all horse shit. But I am here to tell you why I don’t believe I was in a cult. The thing about a cult is that it is basically a religion that hasn’t grown up yet. Thats what Hare Krishna is. We are taught that we come from a sect or line of belief called Gaudiya Sam Pradaya (can’t spell for shit) and that we have our origins in Mayapur, Bengal. This is where a person known as Lord Chaitanya Mahaphrabu was born. He was a Hindu monk in west Bengal and the founder of Gaudiya Vaishnavism or Hare Krishna. In this movement we consider him a incarnation of Krishna. At the end of the day what Hare Krishna is, is a sect of Hinduism that worships Krishna as its supreme god. There are sects in Hinduism that also call Ganesh the supreme gods. Its a very diverse belief structure. Like other religions people are loosy goosy. Shit I have drank and I will and want to have “illicit” sex. People I know don’t act all stuck up. Sure there is a general sense of detachment but honestly it feels that they are more putting up a show. Most humans are materialistic, so are people who follow Hare Krishna. And for a lot of the things you mentioned I have never heard of. That group the Brahma Kamaris, I have never fucking heard of them in my life. Never, not once. And that rule that 50% of our income goes to the religion, I never heard that either. But who know’s I am still a kid. Honestly I grew up in a family with some abuse. But that wasn’t because of the religion. It was because my father has mental problems that he refuses to get treated. Other than that I lived a pretty great life so far. My closest friend is a Hare Krishna, a nigga I can call my brother. I grew up on the temple estate, my earliest memories were of dancing in the grand temple in Mayapur, shit my first words was “ani” and I was talking to a deity of Krishna. But look at me now, I am an atheist. I didn’t leave because they treated me badly, but because my eyes were opened up. And lets be honest with ourselves for a minute, all this Krishna shit is just as believable as the story of a carpenter from the middle east. So no I don’t think it is a cult (based on personal experience) though in some cases it does show cultish behavior. This is coming from someone who thinks all religion is bs so I ain’t suckin their dicks when I say this. Hope you learned something. Thanks Bye.

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  61. Vrndapati das

     /  May 29, 2016

    What you are saying about the hare krshna Movement is not true. Hare krshna encourage new members not to associate with outside ppl because of the bad association like meat eating, gambling, intoxication and illicit sex. People that engage in these activities influences others to engage in these activities also.hanging out in bars, night clubs,theatres, etc. The reason for this is so that one could focus solely on spiritual advancement. But our duty is to educate everyone about spiritual life in every religion. Not just Hinduism. We support all religions that helps individuals to become good conscious and there is no requirement so change any religion. We simply say that if you are Hindu, muslim or Christian be a good one and follow the scriptures. And to educate the General public about good means that we need to talk with them so your statement does not make sense. Hare krshnas go in the street singing and dancing and giving books and food for anyone and everyone all the time. As far as I could see there is nothing wrong with free food, singing and dancing. Everyone does it all the time so why can’t the hare krshna ppl do it also especially for spiritual advancement.

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    • Your bias is interfering in your connive ability to see through this judaic scam. The HK cult is certainly not spiritual development – it’s more of the jew-controlled mind control. You have just chosen not to see it……like all cult members.

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  62. Cognitively dissonant

     /  June 24, 2016

    Thanks Digger! Keep diggin for that truth man, you’ve done great so far. I joined the HK’s with nothing, and left with even less. It really does give you that dose of soma to just sit back and happily watch this world go to hell.. So glad I got out! I have always been drawn to the spiritual path, and while i learned much inside the walls of iskcon, many lessons were learned through negative or painful experiences. I consider those 2 years as a HK as an ‘unfortunate detour’ in my life.

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  63. I was surprised how unspiritual the organisation is. I always felt as if I was a spiritual being and my body is only a covering, but they made me feel more attached to my body, with the founder’s misogynistic rantings, about how women have half the brain size of men so shouldn’t have an education beyond looking after their husband. When somebody pointed out Marie Curie discovered radioactivity he said it’s a lie. He also said the moon landings were fake because people live there with a higher standard of living than Earth.
    Some of his talks were similar to Islamic State, with predictions how there would be a nuclear war in the 80s, where Krishna Consciousness would take over.
    They have put a man called Gauri Das charged with child abuse in a leadership position of Bhaktivedanta Manor, and banned those who spoke against it.

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  64. It isn’t an ancient organisation. The founder said they’re not promoting Hinduism. He said his explanations with misogynistic opinions of his translated books were more important than the original verses, and they’re not allowed to read any versions apart from what the founder translated. He said that Ghandi’s Bhagavad Gita wasn’t accurate because it promoted peace.
    He snorted snuff while telling his followers not to use tobacco.

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  65. I was a ‘member’ of Isckon, at Bhaktivedanta manor in England for 12 years and can sincerely state that most devotees were kind considerate souls. However, the ‘leaders’ of the temple and main devotees who ran the day to day processes or departments were far from alright. I know that one or two of them were involved in elicit sexual affairs with female devotees and gave out that holier than thou aure around the temple, hypocrites. Their love affair with money shocked me deeply, particularly the so called ‘guru’s’!!! At the time I was involved or engaged with the ‘movement’ I know that one, american, guru ran of with millions of funds from iskcon and became a biker living in the usa with a female who had five children. He was the person(ality) who refused to allow me to remain at the temple because I had met a female devotee there and fallen in love. I saw no serious spirituality with devotees who had been devotees for 25 and 30 years being kicked out in to ‘the world’ for no apparent reason, two of whom, and they were the sweetest people you could ever meet I knew them well, had breakdowns and for all I know are unwell to this day because it is all they knew therefore the could not survive without iskcon. I no longer involve myself with the manor as it’s known because it is run by the gujarati mafia and completely controlled by them and a faction of the indian community which surrounds the area. It is sad that on the outside this peaceful spiritual way of life is actually a brainwashing, money making machine for a few who profit from creating a prophet. The sooner this is known and people are aware of it the better

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  66. You call this digging for the “truth ” ???

    Wow ! ! I can’t believe people are still writing these red-neck “cult” articles after so many years !?!

    When I became a Hare Krishna monk in 1975, the term “cult” did not have the pejorative connotation that it has today. The expression ” the cult of Lord Jesus Christ ” was still in existence as a postivie term, before atheistic articles like the above became “popular”

    Those first ignorant cult accusation attacks were started by disgruntled parents who were sold out to the Establishment / Corporations and wanted to see their children indoctrinated into rampant Consumerism Cult, just like themselves, and did not want to see their grown children learn to think for themselves

    It’s very easy to be an intoxicater, sex-monger, animal eater and gambler. The whole sick economy is based upon such vice, and of course anyone who wants to give that up these diseased habits must be in a “cult”

    It reminds me of the Matrix movie, If you wanted to get out of the matrix, then you were considered weird by the rest of the mindless consumers

    Any educated person know that the Hare Krishna Movement was started over 500 years ago by Lord Caitanya, Krishna Himself. Srila Prabhupada came at the age of 70, suffering two heart attacks aboard the boat to start his branch of Gaudiya Vaisnavism in NYC

    I have spoken to thousands of high school and university students over the years being invited to represent Hinduism in World Religion Classes. It is taught in England as RE , Religious Education, in order to help the students from becoming prejudiced bigots as your article is a good example of

    Srila Prabhupada’s authentic, pain-staking translations of the Vedic literatures such as Bhagavad Gita and Srimad Bhagavatam are from the original Sanskrit which comrpise his books are studied and appreciated by the top scholars of the world at Harvard, Oxford, Princeton etc…. Are these professors all stupid cult members ??? Give me a break,

    I have been a member and disciple for almost 42 years and I am sorry I had to wait until I was 21 years old to have the privilege to join the greatest thing in the world. Before Prabhupada came west, practically no one knew who the Personality of God was, Lord Krishna. Millions have given up drugs and alcohol because of chanting the Hare Krishna mantra. Hundreds of millions of plates of free vegetarian food has been distributed throughout the world We have so much to be grateful for and all you can do is condemn and criticise ? Take a look at yourself before pointing your finger because three more are pointing back at you

    Granted devotees have deviated and so have you. At least they have made some sincere effort to reform their ways before falling, but your way is to be malicious as you dig and you consider yourself to be the Judge ?

    For all of us , the choice is either Krishna or Maya / Illusion

    Your focus on criticism, to the exclusion at all the wonderful good the Hare Krishna Movement does creates a destructive force of energy

    Humanity is interconnected. We are each part of the whole. There is no separation. What you do to another, you do to yourself and to the planet. What affects one person does indeed affect us all. We are not powerless to change the world. Every single human being is significant and has the power to make the world a better place. Let’s concentrate on that energy, the energy we want to increase, not on the negative energy of all we see that’s bad in the world. Some say that violence and suffering is the reality and criticize others for not appearing painfully aware of it, however, I say it is because we are aware of it that we must strive to create a new reality and stop reinforcing and feeding the old, painful one. Even the smallest positive contribution is truly meaningful and causes a shift in the right direction.

    We know that we’re all different, have our own opinions and everyone is never going to agree on everything. Having said that, the bottom line is as it always has been. If you can’t say something nice, well, you know the rest…

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    • Oh dear K. The power of mind control. To think you do actually believe this. Glad you’re enjoying your soma.

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  67. Raine Baker

     /  September 10, 2016

    Hello Mr.Digger speaking from my own experience,I was a Muslim for around 7 years and then converted to Christianity and so that’s another 3 years because I still had a lot of questions about what the real religion really was..I never had any idea about Krishna till my bro introduced to me the whole story in summery and right now I got no question because I feel I know the truth and whenever I chant I feel differently I nolonger have the nightmares I used to get in my sleep because I understand Krishna so please don’t say bad staff or put down my culture it got the right knowledge and absolute truth.Thank you and Hare Krishna

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    • With respect Raine, you are just enjoying your ‘Soma’ (bio-chemical feel good factor) when you chant. Avoidance from reality – all by design. Please read ‘Brave New World’ by Aldous Huxly

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  68. Couple of comments on the above. Prabhupada did arrive without money, but did not set up hundreds of ashrams alone. He had almost 5,000 initiated disciples working 7 days a week that helped.
    And the spelling of the Beatles is incorrect.
    The most of the article is correct. I am an ex-devotee.

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  69. Sonal

     /  September 17, 2016

    Hello Mr. Digger, If you had any exposure to eastern vedic philosophy and spirituality you wouldn’t have written this post.. what you are calling as Soma is called as spiritual ecstasy which you get after chanting Hare Krishna Maha Mantra..In India, there has been long tradition of people renouncing wordly pleasures like sex, wealth etc. to experience this spiritual ecstasy and believe me if you taste spiritual ecstasy, your liking for so called pleasure giving things in material world like sex, meat, wine, movies etc. automatically vanishes..In past people used to do severe austerity, meditation for hours, holy name chanting, sense control etc.just to experience it… some are doing it today also. it is mercy of shri chaitanya mahaprabhu that you can experience it just by chanting hare krishna mahamantra in this age. In reply to this blog so many people have written their experiences about chanting of hare krishna mantra but you outrightly rejected it calling it Soma and considering it something which negatively effects human being like alcohol or drug. But in India and vedic culture, human life is considered successful only if you make spiritual advancement in your life…If you are really an objective person, try and do some research on hare Krishna mahamantra rather than just rejecting people’s experience by calling it Soma effect..you should think why people become so happy by chanting this mantra..what is there in it??
    Anyways ISKCON is now very strong and growing in India more than any other nation in this world, future ISKCON leaders will be predominantly Indians..so this Jewish analogy doesn’t make any sense for me..Indians can easily relate to teachings of Srila Prabhupada..they are nothing new..Many other saints have given the same philosophy, rules and regulations..May be in west they look very awkward because you are brought up in consumerist culture.

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    • We will never agree. You cannot have absorbed the points I have made. Your bias interferes. What the fuck should it matter that ISKCOn is growing. Christianity grew all over the world; that doesn’t matter it was good for society and especially the European culture.

      I can’t be bothered with you people.

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  70. They are shame on Hinduism.

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  71. Blueskywalker

     /  November 27, 2016

    Regarding the comment by 1bigcree Shadowhawk, I can’t believe there are still people who believe the LDS church is cult. I go to work, own a car, own my home, pay a 10% tithe and the church does’t control my mind or anything else about me. I am not isolated, disassociated from world, or have any of the problems listed by digger. None of the 10 points made by digger apply to me or my membership with the LDS.

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  72. Thanks for your post!

    I read over the responses and I cannot say I am surprised, all the Hare Krishna responses are like attacks, filled with so much anger! Where is the peace loving ‘spiritual’ kindness and compassion they preach about? Also, they should take the humble position as practicing ‘spiritualists’ (humbler than a blade of grass), not become so defensive and filled with anger. You entitled to share your opinions with the world, if they do not like it, they do not need to read it.
    In the society browsing non ISKCON material is supposedly not condusive to spiritual life, seen as materialistic, yet you will note they are constantly on the attack, as if looking for arguments. Always fault finding and speaking down of others.
    I used to be a Hare Krishna for more than half my life and totally agree and confirm with everything you have written. I remember classes and books were filled with hate preaching, turning members against world. Statements such as non-members are all demons, that if women did not accept KC then they are nothing more than prostitutes and less intelligent, that all women enjoy being raped, that women are responsible for divorce, that unless one takes up KC they are ignorant, fools, demons and doomed (those are just a few, the list is much longer)… Tip: Ask them how their founder felt about homosexuality, blacks, women, rape, child marriage, Hitler, murder….

    It is all fear based control but members do not see it. I truly believe it’s down to mind control, through sleep deprivation, monotone repetitive chanting for hours on a tired brain leaves the mind vulnerable and open to manipulation. Indoctrination comes easily due to only trusting and associating with members only, and reading books only written by their own authors. What members will not publicize is how much they dislike other faith, they blame all others for their in-house problems, I noted this time and time again where Christians, Islam, Jews were accused of infiltrating their organisation, they make ludicrous statements and never take responsibility of their own problems.

    Abuse runs rampant within their society and instead of reporting it to the legal authorities’, they instead have their own in-house agency to deal with these issues, which just results in the criminal and sadistic behaviour never-ending…. abuse, rape and molestation are swept under the carpet. I know what I am talking about as I witnessed this for more than 30 years to other members and I too became a victim (I prefer the word survivor) of the same situation. As like all the other cases, mine was treated pretty much the same way, I was told to keep it quiet, given no support or help, while my perpetrator runs free and does whatever he wants. I eventually left the movement to save my life (I mean that literally), today I am seen and labelled as ‘fallen’, members avoid my association as it is the accepted belief that I could destroy their devotional creeper or cause their falldown too. This is the general way they treat ex-members, that they should be avoided at all costs, that they are nothing but offensive, spiritually weak and bad association. I am very happy I left when I had, it cost me everything, but I rather have my freedom and sanity than be controlled by a cult.

    There are many blogs going up daily of those who survived the cult, they speak openly and honestly of their experiences, so I am not alone. But even with this information, members turn a blind eye to the hurt and pain others have endured through their movement, many people I knew felt their lives destroyed, children suffer the most in my opinion. As adults, we can make a new start, it is hard to escape and start over as adults, but at least we have that option to leave, but children have nowhere to go. They depend on their parents and the society. When they abused and molested, it’s all kept in-house and that together with the cultish behaviour and indoctrination makes it double as worse and far more damaging.

    The main source root of the problem is the founder himself. There is an abundance of statements he made that were disrespectful and unacceptable. He made claims about women which should never be accepted, racial discrimination, oppressive statements which they all try to justify with, ‘the social norm’ or ‘time, place and circumstance’. But in fact, a saintly person would never make such damaging crude statements no matter the situation. This is the reason why there is so much angst against everyone outside the movement and explains why there is so much problems within their society.

    They have much to say against everyone and if you disagree they simply label you as demonic and an ignorant fool. They will always believe themselves above all other, on a special pedestal thinking they are the only ones destined for Godhead and everyone else are doomed.

    No matter how many blogs we write, they will always look for a fight, they claim to be open minded but we all can see they are fooling themselves, they simply biased and blind to real spirituality.

    To be honest, I believe the real reason they pick arguments is because they know deep down there is something wrong with ISKCON, they feel there is an element of truth in our words, but that is not what they want. They do not want to think they have wasted so many years, that they made a mistake. They argue, make crude statements and spit insults so to reassure themselves that what they believe is the truth….

    Thank you again for this post.

    PS. I am sure you will find hateful attacks to my response…. just wait for it. I will not stoop to their level of childish attacks, my time is valuable so I will not respond to fanatics, I am free and independent, whereas they are trapped and blind!

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